Republicans push for an amendment that would ban abortion; even if the woman is raped

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

thanks for the old well known history lesson?

Believe it or not a lot of people don't know this.

And Katie did imply it was white males who bought slaves.

[The Stryker]

In america. That's all. You're just being overly defensive

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

While I'm glad this thread has mostly stayed civil, and we're proving we can at least imitate what a reasonable conversation looks like, it still just looks like the opposing sides can't agree, and both sides think the other is totally nuts. Nice to know some things stay constant.

Here's where I come off as an arrogant, self-righteous prick to support my position. Ready? Here we go.

Who do I love more, myself or God? Interesting question. There is me, the one person I can always trust to have my back, the one who has never lied to me or given me false hope or misled me, the one and only person who is going to be in the grave when I die. I get along with that guy.

OR, we have God, who may or may not exist, but I gotta tell ya, He doesn't take my calls. Or if he does, they go straight to voicemail and He forgets about 'em. I was raised Catholic in a devout family full of people who never questioned their faith at all, and I did my best for yeeeaaaars to walk that same line, but you know what? The more time passed, the more I saw something interesting. You know who has the strongest faith of all? People who always get their way. People who have easy lives, people who have money, people who don't have to struggle. The more messed up stuff happens to you, the harder life gets, the worse off you are, and I don't care who you are, you start asking hard questions about Why. Why you, why me, why them, and they tell you "Don't ask, God's plan," and I'm like "Fine." But what about the day you realize that God's Plan involves a lot, a LOT of people starving to death, living on the streets, being born in some third-world backwater and dying in a week from AIDS or malaria, and all kinds of messed up stuff in between? What is the POINT of this so-called Plan?

When I realized God's Plan is all about some people suffering for no good reason, while others get rewarded despite being horrible people, and that basically, MY happiness was not a part of this Master Plan, I removed myself from it. I won't say "I don't believe", because God may well exist. I DO hope all this sh*t we go through has a point. I really do. But I'm still waiting for proof, because "Faith" is something I lost after the hundreth time I prayed and begged, "Please let that assh*le stop beating my sister;" "PLEASE let my mother get off drugs so she can have a long and happy life;" and nothing changed. I guess we're all being taught some "moral lesson" and these "simple creatures" are just pawns in the game, and their "Role" is to suffer so... what? So someone else might learn a lesson? Bullsh*t. Doesn't work that way, or at least it BETTER not.

God might exist, but He doesn't live on this planet. WE do. WE are the ones who have to live on this planet and deal with everything, and if people tell themselves "This is God's will," and it keeps them from blowing their brains out, good for you. But I refuse to accept ANY religious justification for a REAL issue/problem, like whether abortion is OK or not. God does NOT care, if He did, He would take a more active role in things, if it all mattered so damn much. I mean, if He didn't want my mother to have any abortions, she would have dropped dead after the first one to "teach her a lesson", no? If God hated gay people, they'd all be struck dead. God isn't the one casting stones, telling raped women to "suck it up and deal with it," or telling gays that they're "Morally Wrong". WE spout that bulls*t, because we hate anyone we don't like/understand, and we make up New God Rules to justify how WE want the world to work. And every time God ever spoke to anyone to tell them "The Rules", it was privately, with no one around, to some guy who walked up a hill or out into a field all alone with no witnesses. I'm sure those rulings are iron-clad, infallible, and not at ALL Total Bullsh*t. I'm sure.

Say abortion is wrong because it messes with chicks' heads. Fine. Say it's wrong because that potential life could have grown up to be a super-hero. Ok, I can buy that. "It's wrong because someone I've never met, but apparently has more powers than Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Brother Eye Sattelite, and the entire Justice League combined, who I am SURE loves me even though he's never paid any particular attention to ME personally and he sure seems to hate a lot of other people... Well I trust that judgment 1000%, no questions asked! If he says it's wrong, it's wrong!" That's not an argument, that's someone inventing an argument to reinforce their belief when their belief is proven BS.

So I don't trust God's judgment on anything. If He's real, He'll forgive me for being prideful, I'm sure. He must already know I'm a Huge Assh*le, because it's only by His will I exist as I do, right? Meanwhile, I think more rational and SANE arguments against abortion are needed before anyone takes them seriously. "God ain't down with it" isn't enough, sorry.

Let me straighten a few things out here. God does not hate anyone; He doesn't hate gay people or anyone else. He hates the sin, not the sinner. That's why He, Christ, sacrificed Himself, so that we could be forgiven of the sins that we have committed. But we can only receive that forgiveness if we put our faith in Him and not in ourselves. God does not make each person sin. He is the one Who teaches us how to not sin. He created Adam and Eve without sin, and their lives were perfect. But Adam and Eve sinned, and because of their sin, the world changed. The world is so messed up because of their sin, and everyone else's sin. God never promised a perfect life on Earth for anyone. And He never promised that all the good people would have good lives;
"He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

[愛]

Those are not facts, so there's really nothing to straighten out.

This has also gone way off topic, which is a topic we should have closed a long time ago. Only warning.

[ComicBookBoy]

Abortion is wrong because it is murder. If you support abortion then you support murder.

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by 愛

Those are not facts, so there's really nothing to straighten out.

This has also gone way off topic, which is a topic we should have closed a long time ago. Only warning.

He spoke against God, I' couldn't just let that happen.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

Abortion is wrong because it is murder. If you support abortion then you support murder.

"According to some." You forgot that part

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

He spoke against God, I' couldn't just let that happen.

He wrote an insightful post about his own experiences and his own views. And it was mostly agnostic, not "against god". Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by PAAATE

He wrote an insightful post about his own experiences and his own views. And it was mostly agnostic, not "against god". Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?

I fully agree that he has the freedom of speech to say what he believes, but I also have the freedom to defend what I believe.

[Barkworm]

I respect the people in this thread who keep trying to get their point across to the fruitcakes but I'm sure you know that it's useless.

[愛]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

I fully agree that he has the freedom of speech to say what he believes, but I also have the freedom to defend what I believe.

What you believe makes me very uncomfortable.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

.....wow. What the hell are you even talking about anymore?

I'm talking about my right to own a slave.

Originally Posted by PAAATE

Well, you could always kidnap someone, make her pregnant, keep her in your basement until she gives birth, then you kill her, you don't tell ANYONE about the baby, and then you could raise it into slavery.

Because a stupid question deserves a stupid answer.

How is it a stupid question? If I see nothing morally wrong with slavery I should be allowed to do it.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Xav

I'm talking about my right to own a slave.
How is it a stupid question? If I see nothing morally wrong with slavery I should be allowed to do it.

A slave would imply a living person not a lifeless mass of goop which is where the difference lies.

Unless you're running a lifeless goop slave ring which I don't think will get you any results.

[Jester]

This may come off as nit-picky, but doesn't the fact that it's a developing life void at least the "lifeless" part of your "lifeless mass of goop" argument?

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Xav

I'm talking about my right to own a slave.
How is it a stupid question? If I see nothing morally wrong with slavery I should be allowed to do it.

As people have already said: You can't compare abortion to slavery. When did this thread turn into a discussion about slavery?

But hey, even if the two were comparable: Most people don't support slavery. In the same way that only a minority would support legalizing murder or kidnapping. Where do most people stand on abortion? **** if I know, but it's not as clear-cut as that whole slavery-thing.

Oh, and I seriously hope you're being hypothetical. You don't really support slavery, do you?

[Cure]

I support slavery. I'm too lazy do anything. I'd be an equal opportunity slave owner, though, and have one of every race.