They are listening to fans?

*Galactus* · 02-09-2016, 08:02 AM

So all the set reports and interviews have had people involved with the movie give the hard sell that this time they've really listened to the fans and that has influenced their choices in the movie. Certainly from the various trailers that emphasize all the elements that come from the Fred Wolf animated series a lot of fans have concluded the same despite the fact that inclusion of Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the Technodrome were all things they wanted from the beginning and were all in that horrible Blue Door scrtpy so this isn't really fan service. So let's take a closer look at the common complaints of the last movie and see what (if anything) they've done to address them.

In no particular order:

Donatello's glasses and gear
A relatively small thing on my radar but if there was an anywhere near consensus it was that those glasses were stupid and should go and yet here we are ready for a sequel with those same thick frames taped up like the most dated nerd stereotype and now he has added suspenders to complete the look.

The character still seems to be loaded with gear. It's not really toned down just different. In an interview Jeremy Howard said he agreed with fans that the character had way too much stuff on him then went on to say Donatello has some Iron Man-esque gear we've yet to see. Seems to me they've done the opposite of listen to fans where Donnie is concerned.

Turtles accessories in general
A lot of fans didn't like how busy the designs were with a lot of unnecessary accessories. You could argue it's toned down but honestly they've mostly just replaced it with different unnecessary accessories. Raphael in particular looks even more loaded with stuff. What are those metal straps that are so thick and wide it covers most of his upper body? Why does he have one big shoulder gauntlet? Why have they all got police-style walkie talkies? I'd personally give them some credit for getting rid of the loin cloths but I think it's debatable how much they've really addressed fan complaints on this one.

Designs in general
It really hits you how little the turtles themselves have changed when show up against the quite cartoon accurate characters and it's a very jarring to see the two together.

Pick on Cybercubed for not letting go of his obsession with those noses but he aint wrong, is he? Those faces do look weird and off putting and after so many internet memes you'd think they'd address...or rather address it more. It was noted that they did tinker with the faces particularly Leonardo's between that first trailer and before the last movie was released and certainly they've tone them all down to the point where Leo looks almost like a classic ninja turtle which shows that the arguments that the couldn't and retain the actor's performance do not hold water. This is something that really should have been fixed.

Stupidity
There's a reason why everyone called foul on the whole Splinter learning ninjutsu from a book thing - because that's way too stupid for even a franchise called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. With nothing to indicate they've fixed that origin and we get the backstory fans want to see and is the true meat of the stort it's clear that there is a very clear line of when things get too silly for the fans and I think they've definitely crossed it.

Source fidelity
They are giving the hard sell that the sequel is much more faithful to TMNT and not just the the Fred Wolf show although it definitely seems that's the only version they are being faithful to...kinda. Like I said no signs of introducing Yoshi vs Saki backstory which is an important part of all the versions of TMNT including that Fred Wolf show. Despite their claims they are being ultra faithful they are eager to pat their backs on the idea are giving Casey Jones a backstory that isn't true to the popular one that he's had in two pretty prominent versions.

Any thoughts? Disagree? Any to add yourselves?

02-09-2016, 08:02 AM	#1
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	They are listening to fans? So all the set reports and interviews have had people involved with the movie give the hard sell that this time they've really listened to the fans and that has influenced their choices in the movie. Certainly from the various trailers that emphasize all the elements that come from the Fred Wolf animated series a lot of fans have concluded the same despite the fact that inclusion of Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the Technodrome were all things they wanted from the beginning and were all in that horrible Blue Door scrtpy so this isn't really fan service. So let's take a closer look at the common complaints of the last movie and see what (if anything) they've done to address them. In no particular order: Donatello's glasses and gear A relatively small thing on my radar but if there was an anywhere near consensus it was that those glasses were stupid and should go and yet here we are ready for a sequel with those same thick frames taped up like the most dated nerd stereotype and now he has added suspenders to complete the look. The character still seems to be loaded with gear. It's not really toned down just different. In an interview Jeremy Howard said he agreed with fans that the character had way too much stuff on him then went on to say Donatello has some Iron Man-esque gear we've yet to see. Seems to me they've done the opposite of listen to fans where Donnie is concerned. Turtles accessories in general A lot of fans didn't like how busy the designs were with a lot of unnecessary accessories. You could argue it's toned down but honestly they've mostly just replaced it with different unnecessary accessories. Raphael in particular looks even more loaded with stuff. What are those metal straps that are so thick and wide it covers most of his upper body? Why does he have one big shoulder gauntlet? Why have they all got police-style walkie talkies? I'd personally give them some credit for getting rid of the loin cloths but I think it's debatable how much they've really addressed fan complaints on this one. Designs in general It really hits you how little the turtles themselves have changed when show up against the quite cartoon accurate characters and it's a very jarring to see the two together. Pick on Cybercubed for not letting go of his obsession with those noses but he aint wrong, is he? Those faces do look weird and off putting and after so many internet memes you'd think they'd address...or rather address it more. It was noted that they did tinker with the faces particularly Leonardo's between that first trailer and before the last movie was released and certainly they've tone them all down to the point where Leo looks almost like a classic ninja turtle which shows that the arguments that the couldn't and retain the actor's performance do not hold water. This is something that really should have been fixed. Stupidity There's a reason why everyone called foul on the whole Splinter learning ninjutsu from a book thing - because that's way too stupid for even a franchise called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. With nothing to indicate they've fixed that origin and we get the backstory fans want to see and is the true meat of the stort it's clear that there is a very clear line of when things get too silly for the fans and I think they've definitely crossed it. Source fidelity They are giving the hard sell that the sequel is much more faithful to TMNT and not just the the Fred Wolf show although it definitely seems that's the only version they are being faithful to...kinda. Like I said no signs of introducing Yoshi vs Saki backstory which is an important part of all the versions of TMNT including that Fred Wolf show. Despite their claims they are being ultra faithful they are eager to pat their backs on the idea are giving Casey Jones a backstory that isn't true to the popular one that he's had in two pretty prominent versions. Any thoughts? Disagree? Any to add yourselves?