I have a question. When ever I look through these forums and see something about the movies, people always say how terrible number 2 is, but number 3 they think is descent. Am I missing something? did we see different movies? They thought 2 sucked because it was more cartoony than the first movie and had vanilla ice. But they thought 3 was descent even though the turtles looked like tiny frogs, they travaled back in time through lamps, had horrible acting, and pretty much destroyed my favortie character ( Raph being a father figure!!!!

) I mean come one, atleast 2 was somewhat enjoying to watch, number 3 makes you feel like an idiot for spending time to watch it.... Oh and on the cgi show that never was, in my oppinion the show never got picked up because of how bad the turtles look, I mean there wicked ugly in the pilot. It would be so hard to get new fans from things that look like that

...Oh and on a side not, does anyone know whats going on with the tv movie from hallmark, Ive been told its been stalled due to no air-time date or something, but does anyone know any links to find any info on it? ...later