Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse

~~Leo656~~ · 12-06-2018, 09:16 PM

I think that with certain things, I'm in close agreement with Zarius, insofar as, sometimes, SOMEthing has to go right for so-and-so.

People go on about "The ol' Parker Luck", and "He's supposed to be this tragic loser", but eventually, with all the piling on, the guy'd just up and kill himself, if we're being real. The fact that if nothing else, he always had MJ, was the one bit of stability in his life. It's simply not realistic to expect that this guy would remain forever optimistic, altruistic, and acting as a hero if it truly was a case of "Nothing ever goes right". Again, he'd eventually just kill himself. They're not gonna have him do that, so they need to at least give him SOMEthing to be grateful for in his life. It doesn't HAVE to be a never-ending tragedy, nor should it be.

I'll be open and say the stories that lean into "Peter's life sucks and he's a total loser" are ones I stay far away from. There's "something for the average slobs reading the book to relate to", and then there's just plain drudgery and misery. The 80s/90s Spider-Man comics up to right around when Carnage showed up were absolutely not like that. Rather, he was in a pretty good place with his life, between being happily married and still managing his Spider-Man gig. And the stories, shockingly, were still entertaining, even when he wasn't constantly bemoaning his crappy life.

If people genuinely don't want to see the character happy, or grow out of his "loser" phase, that says an awful lot more about them, the way I see it. I feel like you gotta let these guys have SOMEthing to live for besides "the fight". Things can go right for them sometimes, it shouldn't be verboten.

I'll gladly take "happy and devoted husband" over "God, my life sucks" as a defining characteristic of Spider-Man, all day every day. But that's me.

12-06-2018, 09:16 PM	#11
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I think that with certain things, I'm in close agreement with Zarius, insofar as, sometimes, SOMEthing has to go right for so-and-so. People go on about "The ol' Parker Luck", and "He's supposed to be this tragic loser", but eventually, with all the piling on, the guy'd just up and kill himself, if we're being real. The fact that if nothing else, he always had MJ, was the one bit of stability in his life. It's simply not realistic to expect that this guy would remain forever optimistic, altruistic, and acting as a hero if it truly was a case of "Nothing ever goes right". Again, he'd eventually just kill himself. They're not gonna have him do that, so they need to at least give him SOMEthing to be grateful for in his life. It doesn't HAVE to be a never-ending tragedy, nor should it be. I'll be open and say the stories that lean into "Peter's life sucks and he's a total loser" are ones I stay far away from. There's "something for the average slobs reading the book to relate to", and then there's just plain drudgery and misery. The 80s/90s Spider-Man comics up to right around when Carnage showed up were absolutely not like that. Rather, he was in a pretty good place with his life, between being happily married and still managing his Spider-Man gig. And the stories, shockingly, were still entertaining, even when he wasn't constantly bemoaning his crappy life. If people genuinely don't want to see the character happy, or grow out of his "loser" phase, that says an awful lot more about them, the way I see it. I feel like you gotta let these guys have SOMEthing to live for besides "the fight". Things can go right for them sometimes, it shouldn't be verboten. I'll gladly take "happy and devoted husband" over "God, my life sucks" as a defining characteristic of Spider-Man, all day every day. But that's me.