Pattinson/Reeves Batman Movie (Formerly Affleck Stand-Alone Film)

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Originally Posted by Sumac

So making Riddler, jigsaw serial killer will, most likely, result in him becoming serial killer in the comic books. Because, that's how character will be remembered / known by most people.

Sh*t, for all I know he actually IS that in the comics, by now.

Much as I'm a "comics-first" purist, I haven't hardly read a f*cking thing since 2011, when DC basically tried to turn their whole line into Marvel with the New 52. Which had a grand effect of entertaining Marvel fans for a month or two before they went right back to their X-Men comics - because Coke fans will NEVER be Pepsi fans and vice-versa, no matter how you advertise it or tinker with the formula - and at the same time pushing longtime DC fans like me - who liked DC in the first place because it was DC and, y'know, NOT Marvel - completely out the door since everything was now completely unrecognizable.

They made Lobo a limp-wristed swishmeister and Starfire an unrepentant slutbag, so it wouldn't shock me if they went ahead and made Riddler into Jigsaw in the comics at some point between 2011 and now, too. That's the kind of "creative" ideas you get from the braintrust that says stuff like "Yeah, let's have Joker cut his own face off for kicks. Kooky!"

Comics will always be my preferred intake method for super-heroes, since they can go places more "mainstream" pop culture like movies and TV shows can't go to. They can be more fantastical or more violent or more cerebral or more ANY thing, without worrying about actors' contracts or studio budgets or trying to time a story so that it hits at the right time to align with the ever-shifting taste of the lowest common denominator, or whatever else. The stories and characters simply thrive better in the medium they were designed for.

But DC's print output post-2011 has been pretty f*cking dismal, ever since they started trying to chase Marvel money. Once upon a time, they were fine being themselves. Then they got greedy and started trying to copy "the other guys" for the first time, and nothing's been right since.

Sad.