Batman Begins

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Originally Posted by Leo656

"Batman Forever" was the one who introduced Robin, and that was only one of the many problems the two Schumacher films had. Not the Robin concept, but the fact that Chris O'Donnell was a whiny bitch and completely unlikable as Robin. Dick Grayson was supposed to be a likable character; O'Donnell played him more like Jason Todd, who was hated by so many that they eventually voted to have the character killed off. And while it wasn't as bad as "Batman and Robin", it (like so many movies back then) suffered from Jim Carrey disease, where every movie company thought they needed Jim Carrey in it to turn a profit. No, contrary to popular opinion, I thought his performance as the Riddler was horrendous, even moreso because it took the tragic, mentally disturbed character of Two-Face and ruined it for the sole reason of Tommy Lee Jones feeling he had to upstage Carrey. In the comics, Two-Face's duality and his psyche went much deeper than the shallow, "babbling idiot on crack" that Jones portrayed him as. And I do feel that given a better script and no Jim Carrey, Jones would have made a really good Two-Face. Shame.

Well, I do think that as long as there's a contract stipulating that Joel Schumacher, Jim Carrey, Governor Arnold, and the rubber Bat-Nipples aren't even allowed on the set of a Batman movie (or any DC comics movie, for that matter) ever, ever again, the Batman franchise should be safe for the forseeable future.

I agree there in a way. I did dislike O'Donnell as Robin, but I never compared him to the Jason Todd version until now. I simply never noticed the comparison until you pointed it out. Now that I realize it, I have a new perspective on the film, which I thought was still pretty good.

Also, though I am a big Jim Carrey fan, I didn't particularly care for his performance of the Riddler. It reminded me too much (way too much) of the Joker. To me it was as if he was trying to actually be the Joker instead of the highly intelligent villain he was cast as.

I also agree that Two-Face's part in the movie wasn't done to the character's justice either. I think Tommy Lee Jones could have done a great job if he wasn't stuck with such a bad direction to play the part. I think that instead of having the acid that burned his face and his psyche go so deep as to make him a cackling and raving lunatic (again, like the Joker) and more of a sinister and diabolical man obsessed with the number two and trying to brandish out a perverted form of justice, then perhaps the movie could have been more enjoyable.

As for the uber-colorful and uber-terrible 4th film, I'll simply say that I hated it for all the right reasons... just like everybody else on the planet.

I also hated the music and the Bat-nipples, but I won't get into that.