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you also have to consider both cartoons when they premiered in the 80's. Even back then the Transformers were punching and blasting at each other, while the turtles were reduced to throwing pizzas at the bad guys or makin em trip on roller skates. It's still hard to make the tmnt grow up because the original series will always be in everyone's minds. Look at all the complaints from this movie, the fans were pissed that Shredder wasn't in it, nor was Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and all the stuff they remember from the old show. Most movie goers don't even know who the hell Karai is or that there was a 2K3 show. But when you see the Transformers movie you still see Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Jazz, all the oldies you remember from the old cartoon.
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