TMNT being a parody of daredevil/comics

BuffaloWilder · 12-24-2009, 08:08 PM

I don't seem why there would be a problem - I mean, look at Dave Sim's Cerebus. That began as a tried-and-true parody of Conan the Barbarian and Red Sonja, and blossomed outward from there - however, saying that, the first issue is certainly less of a parody than what Cerebus initially started out as. Their origin is certainly an homage to Daredevil in general, not just Frank Miller's run, but everything else - The Foot, and Splinter's name, among others - seems more like pastiche than parody.

As somebody else mentioned, for it to be considered a real tried-and-true parody, it'd need to be poking fun at its source material, either lovingly or no, in some way or another. And again, Dave Sim's first few issues of Cerebus are probably the best example, here - with Red Sophia, Elrod of Melvinbone, and so on. And, while there's certainly a wry sense of humor inherent in the concept, something Eastman and Laird do acknowledge, it's never really been the driving force behind the series. Although, while the cover of the first issue itself isn't really a take-off on the first issue of Ronin, the way it was shaded was certainly meant as a tribute.

When people mention that it was supposed to have been a take-off on all of the comic industry's contemporary cliches, I have to wonder - none of these things were especially prevalent, at the time. There was still several years to go before all of that began taking over, and this was due in part to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, along with Frank Miller and Alan Moore, and all of those cats.

12-24-2009, 08:08 PM	#17
BuffaloWilder Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 15	I don't seem why there would be a problem - I mean, look at Dave Sim's Cerebus. That began as a tried-and-true parody of Conan the Barbarian and Red Sonja, and blossomed outward from there - however, saying that, the first issue is certainly less of a parody than what Cerebus initially started out as. Their origin is certainly an homage to Daredevil in general, not just Frank Miller's run, but everything else - The Foot, and Splinter's name, among others - seems more like pastiche than parody. As somebody else mentioned, for it to be considered a real tried-and-true parody, it'd need to be poking fun at its source material, either lovingly or no, in some way or another. And again, Dave Sim's first few issues of Cerebus are probably the best example, here - with Red Sophia, Elrod of Melvinbone, and so on. And, while there's certainly a wry sense of humor inherent in the concept, something Eastman and Laird do acknowledge, it's never really been the driving force behind the series. Although, while the cover of the first issue itself isn't really a take-off on the first issue of Ronin, the way it was shaded was certainly meant as a tribute. When people mention that it was supposed to have been a take-off on all of the comic industry's contemporary cliches, I have to wonder - none of these things were especially prevalent, at the time. There was still several years to go before all of that began taking over, and this was due in part to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, along with Frank Miller and Alan Moore, and all of those cats. Last edited by BuffaloWilder; 12-24-2009 at 08:30 PM.