Marvel or DC? - Page 2

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-04-2003, 10:58 AM

Yea, it is freaky...that series spawned the Amalgam Universe and characters were merged.... Maybe they should have made the DC vs Marvel thing a 12 maxi series to say the least...I mean they fight against their own villains in battles that can last many books.

~~Leo656~~ · 05-04-2003, 12:58 PM

I thought Jurgens' art in those books was way better. It seemed like he could draw both the DC and Marvel characters well but Castellini only did a good job on the Marvel characters, I didn't like some of his DC guys at all.

And yeah, the story sucked. They made the big mistake of asking the fans to vote to determine who would win the fights, and the fans of course voted for who they WANTED to win, not who WOULD win.

The biggest farce was Lobo vs. Wolverine. Wolverine is cool and all, and I know he's like the most popular character ever, yadda yadda yadda, but he plain and simply COULD NOT beat Lobo in a fight. For those who don't know anything about Lobo, he's the last living creature from a planet called Czarnia. Why is he the last? Because he single-handedly murdered every other living being on the planet just so he could be unique. He makes a living as a bounty hunter travelling from planet to planet killing people in the most impossibly grotesque ways possible. He almost beat Superman to death with his bare hands. He's completely invulnerable, and in the unlikely event that he ever be killed, each drop of his blood mutates into a brand new body for himself. Point blank, Wolverine could not beat him.

But he did. So meh. That's all I have to say about the DC vs Marvel books. "Meh."

And the fact that Marvel WAS at one point associated with Todd McFarlane means that they automatically concede defeat to DC. Any company that would have anything to do with Todd McFarlane is fundamentally flawed.

**Barkworm** · 05-04-2003, 01:27 PM

Leo, did you read the Lobo X-Mas-Special where he fought Santa Claus? Or the other Bisley-drawn storys? That was (explicit) fun?

~~Leo656~~ · 05-04-2003, 01:34 PM

I confess to not having too much Lobo, but my girlfriend has like every Lobo comic ever, including the one where he goes after Santa Claus. I liked "Contract On Gawd" and "UnAmerican Gladiators".

Caster_Troy · 05-04-2003, 01:53 PM

Leo -- tell me you did not just diss the Todd.

~~Leo656~~ · 05-04-2003, 02:14 PM

He's "The" Todd now? Yeesh, I gotta hire this guy's publicist...

And yeah, I did, and I'd do it again. In fact, I will, eventually. There's a ton of reasons why I'm not a fan of his. Mainly because Spawn was the most over-hyped non-substance book ever to the point where even Todd himself got bored with it after like 20 issues. Does he even do anything with that book anymore besides cash checks from it? Just asking.

Caster_Troy · 05-04-2003, 02:18 PM

well i agree with the spawn thing... it was a true piece of crap, but its not exactly the Todd's fault... he gave the fans what they wanted... and i'm sure if you could do it you would.

**Barkworm** · 05-04-2003, 02:20 PM

I think Spawn could have been cool but Todd is that kind of author who has a lot of ideas but can't realize even ONE of those properly. I'm not very fond of his artwork either (but I love Capullos work, he's like the better McFarlane

).

Caster_Troy · 05-04-2003, 02:23 PM

puh... I say long live the Todd... to be able to write, draw, ink and come up with storylines is a feat within itself, but to make millions doing it, boo-yah!

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-04-2003, 02:55 PM

Yea, that is true, they did let the fans pick the winners....They could and probly will make a DC vs Marvel II or something sometime in the future, hopefully then it will be more than 4 issues and not be lost in what actually happened, just knowing who won is not good enough..

**GK Punk** · 05-04-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokka

Yea, that is true, they did let the fans pick the winners....They could and probly will make a DC vs Marvel II or something sometime in the future, hopefully then it will be more than 4 issues and not be lost in what actually happened, just knowing who won is not good enough..

I think they should do a whole years worth of that as a crossover for it to work properly... like have it running through all the books

Caster_Troy · 05-04-2003, 02:56 PM

yeah some storyline would be good.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-04-2003, 03:15 PM

Nah, I think it would have to be seperate, or else it would interlude in series and change future events that would never have happened. It should really be it's own series, and it would have to be pretty damn long....lol

Knuckles · 05-04-2003, 03:21 PM

I wasn't trying to say everything Marvel is unrealistic, but the types of mutations that characters like the X-men have seem very, very unlikey, to the point where we can reasonably determine that there's little chance of it happening. But since we know so little about the outside universe, we really can't reliably determine DC-type alien origins as having little chance of happening. We might think we can, but we don't know, because we really don't know anything about what different alien species/civilizations might be capable of. I was saying using alien origins gives you so much more to work with, and less improbablilities. Plus I just think of Marvel as having goofier characters sometimes. The types of powers and gimmicks, (as a whole) seem less serious. I take a character like Batman much more seriously. So I guess my tastes are more toward the serious nature nowadays. TMNT being an exception, because even though the comics are serious a lot of times, the very concept of TMNT was intentionally ludicrous. Eastman/Laird took a zany concept and treated it seriously. And I don't read TMNT for its realism, in case anyone wonders.

Caster_Troy · 05-04-2003, 03:25 PM

i agree with you in the fact that marvel normally is not as serious or as dark as DC, or even Image for that matter, they are a bit more... for lack of a better word... fun. And as I said before, DC does cater to more of the adult readers.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-04-2003, 04:19 PM

I think Image is much more dark than either...I tend to shy away from Image comics though....Spawn was good in like the first 15 issues or whatever, but then sucked...

*Raven* · 05-04-2003, 04:28 PM

I really like image because its the rebal company!!!!!!!!
also because they own top cow!!
witchblade owns dude

but if you made me choose I couldnt because I really like batman
and spiderman

hhhhhhhmmmmmmm need to think hard

Shellfox · 05-04-2003, 04:40 PM

There best work is when they cross over, Yes I liked Marvel vs DC and the Almagan books (metal Men, Dark Claw and JLX are geart), but most of the others are priceless.

2 of the best have got to be Batman and Spider-man vs Joker and Carnage and Team 7/Weapon X. But I can't wait till JLA/Avengers

*cqb101* · 05-04-2003, 04:43 PM

JLA/Avengers is gonna kick ass. When is it commin out?

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-04-2003, 05:23 PM

Yea, any other secret wars coming out?

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05-04-2003, 01:27 PM	#23
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	Leo, did you read the Lobo X-Mas-Special where he fought Santa Claus? Or the other Bisley-drawn storys? That was (explicit) fun? __________________ Make ****, not kill!

05-04-2003, 01:53 PM	#25
Caster_Troy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 446	Leo -- tell me you did not just diss the Todd. __________________ -He asked me to forcibly insert the 'Life Line exercise card' into my anus.

05-04-2003, 02:18 PM	#27
Caster_Troy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 446	well i agree with the spawn thing... it was a true piece of crap, but its not exactly the Todd's fault... he gave the fans what they wanted... and i'm sure if you could do it you would. __________________ -He asked me to forcibly insert the 'Life Line exercise card' into my anus.

05-04-2003, 02:20 PM	#28
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,757	I think Spawn could have been cool but Todd is that kind of author who has a lot of ideas but can't realize even ONE of those properly. I'm not very fond of his artwork either (but I love Capullos work, he's like the better McFarlane ). __________________ Make ****, not kill!

05-04-2003, 10:58 AM	#21
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Yea, it is freaky...that series spawned the Amalgam Universe and characters were merged.... Maybe they should have made the DC vs Marvel thing a 12 maxi series to say the least...I mean they fight against their own villains in battles that can last many books.

05-04-2003, 12:58 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I thought Jurgens' art in those books was way better. It seemed like he could draw both the DC and Marvel characters well but Castellini only did a good job on the Marvel characters, I didn't like some of his DC guys at all. And yeah, the story sucked. They made the big mistake of asking the fans to vote to determine who would win the fights, and the fans of course voted for who they WANTED to win, not who WOULD win. The biggest farce was Lobo vs. Wolverine. Wolverine is cool and all, and I know he's like the most popular character ever, yadda yadda yadda, but he plain and simply COULD NOT beat Lobo in a fight. For those who don't know anything about Lobo, he's the last living creature from a planet called Czarnia. Why is he the last? Because he single-handedly murdered every other living being on the planet just so he could be unique. He makes a living as a bounty hunter travelling from planet to planet killing people in the most impossibly grotesque ways possible. He almost beat Superman to death with his bare hands. He's completely invulnerable, and in the unlikely event that he ever be killed, each drop of his blood mutates into a brand new body for himself. Point blank, Wolverine could not beat him. But he did. So meh. That's all I have to say about the DC vs Marvel books. "Meh." And the fact that Marvel WAS at one point associated with Todd McFarlane means that they automatically concede defeat to DC. Any company that would have anything to do with Todd McFarlane is fundamentally flawed.

05-04-2003, 01:34 PM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I confess to not having too much Lobo, but my girlfriend has like every Lobo comic ever, including the one where he goes after Santa Claus. I liked "Contract On Gawd" and "UnAmerican Gladiators".

05-04-2003, 02:14 PM	#26
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	He's "The" Todd now? Yeesh, I gotta hire this guy's publicist... And yeah, I did, and I'd do it again. In fact, I will, eventually. There's a ton of reasons why I'm not a fan of his. Mainly because Spawn was the most over-hyped non-substance book ever to the point where even Todd himself got bored with it after like 20 issues. Does he even do anything with that book anymore besides cash checks from it? Just asking.

05-04-2003, 02:23 PM	#29
Caster_Troy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 446	puh... I say long live the Todd... to be able to write, draw, ink and come up with storylines is a feat within itself, but to make millions doing it, boo-yah! __________________ -He asked me to forcibly insert the 'Life Line exercise card' into my anus.

05-04-2003, 02:55 PM	#30
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Yea, that is true, they did let the fans pick the winners....They could and probly will make a DC vs Marvel II or something sometime in the future, hopefully then it will be more than 4 issues and not be lost in what actually happened, just knowing who won is not good enough..

05-04-2003, 02:56 PM	#32
Caster_Troy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 446	yeah some storyline would be good. __________________ -He asked me to forcibly insert the 'Life Line exercise card' into my anus.

05-04-2003, 03:15 PM	#33
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Nah, I think it would have to be seperate, or else it would interlude in series and change future events that would never have happened. It should really be it's own series, and it would have to be pretty damn long....lol

05-04-2003, 03:21 PM	#34
Knuckles Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 260	I wasn't trying to say everything Marvel is unrealistic, but the types of mutations that characters like the X-men have seem very, very unlikey, to the point where we can reasonably determine that there's little chance of it happening. But since we know so little about the outside universe, we really can't reliably determine DC-type alien origins as having little chance of happening. We might think we can, but we don't know, because we really don't know anything about what different alien species/civilizations might be capable of. I was saying using alien origins gives you so much more to work with, and less improbablilities. Plus I just think of Marvel as having goofier characters sometimes. The types of powers and gimmicks, (as a whole) seem less serious. I take a character like Batman much more seriously. So I guess my tastes are more toward the serious nature nowadays. TMNT being an exception, because even though the comics are serious a lot of times, the very concept of TMNT was intentionally ludicrous. Eastman/Laird took a zany concept and treated it seriously. And I don't read TMNT for its realism, in case anyone wonders.

05-04-2003, 03:25 PM	#35
Caster_Troy Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 446	i agree with you in the fact that marvel normally is not as serious or as dark as DC, or even Image for that matter, they are a bit more... for lack of a better word... fun. And as I said before, DC does cater to more of the adult readers. __________________ -He asked me to forcibly insert the 'Life Line exercise card' into my anus.

05-04-2003, 04:19 PM	#36
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	I think Image is much more dark than either...I tend to shy away from Image comics though....Spawn was good in like the first 15 issues or whatever, but then sucked...

05-04-2003, 04:28 PM	#37
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	I really like image because its the rebal company!!!!!!!! also because they own top cow!! witchblade owns dude but if you made me choose I couldnt because I really like batman and spiderman hhhhhhhmmmmmmm need to think hard __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

05-04-2003, 04:40 PM	#38
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	There best work is when they cross over, Yes I liked Marvel vs DC and the Almagan books (metal Men, Dark Claw and JLX are geart), but most of the others are priceless. 2 of the best have got to be Batman and Spider-man vs Joker and Carnage and Team 7/Weapon X. But I can't wait till JLA/Avengers

05-04-2003, 04:43 PM	#39
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	JLA/Avengers is gonna kick ass. When is it commin out? __________________ Facebook

05-04-2003, 05:23 PM	#40
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Yea, any other secret wars coming out?

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