The Official Bootleg thread

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by rickwj324

Yeah, I've dealt with Sinodolls for a couple of years now on ebay. I started out buying Justice League Unlimited figures from them and later DC Imaginext items. Everything I ever received from them were perfect. He also ships to the USA pretty quickly as well.

You were the one who started calling things from sinodolls "bootlegs" and now you vouch for them??

Anyway, my "bootleg" night shadow leo is here.



You know how i have a lot of bootleg leo stands from the CC bootlegs?
Not a perfect fit but i jammed it in there. Careful with the sword tho, i almost broke it trying to get him to hold it, now there's a stretch mark

Also got a dexter spackman without his feet but for $5, i can't complain.
And ghostbuster leo i won for $3.



Night Shadow is noticeably higher quality than the other nick figures, at least paint wise.

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

You were the one who started calling things from sinodolls "bootlegs" and now you vouch for them??

What?? I very much vouch for SinoDolls! Everything I've bought from him have been great quality! And what was I saying about bootlegs? I've bought many bootlegs and have posted quite a bit about 'em. If you look back through the threads you'll see that I was the first one to post pics of the bootleg 1990 Movie Turtles figures (which I own several sets of and love them). BUT they ARE bootlegs. I also own NECA bootlegs (awesome!), Nick bootlegs, among others.


And what Sinodolls is selling ARE bootlegs!! Even if they were 100% factory made by the manufacturer, these are still bootlegs. Sinodolls (and all of the other Asian sellers) that are selling toys like this are NOT selling them under the authority of Playmates, Hasbro, or any other toy company. They have acquired them by illegal means, be it stolen property or defective items that were discarded by the toy companies.

So, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but I stand by everything I've said. If you are looking for a particular bootleg toy and sinodolls happens to be selling that item, I would highly recommend buying from him as I've always had a good transaction with him.

Rick

[Spidergreg]

As much as you guys want to hope that there are other high quality bootlegs out there (very close to the real thing, example the neca turtles).... Fact is, there are none. The neca thing was the only exception. Everything else is the real thing, but you are right in calling it "illegal".

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

As much as you guys want to hope that there are other high quality bootlegs out there (very close to the real thing, example the neca turtles).... Fact is, there are none. The neca thing was the only exception. Everything else is the real thing, but you are right in calling it "illegal".

BOOTLEG: verb
1. make, distribute, or sell (illicit goods, especially liquor, computer software, or recordings) illegally.

Note the part that says: "sell illegally".

I'm not going to debate with you. You can call them what you like. Believe that a certain toy is a bootleg or not, it doesn't really matter to me. All of these items coming from overseas sellers (like aliexpress or ebay sellers) are in fact bootlegs. All of the JLU figures I have bought from sinodolls on ebay are no doubt manufactured by Mattel. I'm not saying that they are being made in some sweat-shop and are molded/casted by the bootleggers. I'm saying that most of these items (like the JLU and Imaginext toys I've bought) are either stolen from the factories or could be figures that didn't make the Q/A process possibly because of an incorrect paint app, or a slight flaw in the figure. Nonetheless they are bootlegs if they are being acquired by illegal means and sold.

This is the last I will post on the matter as I have better things to do than beat a dead horse over a subject that I can't believe is being argued about.

Rick

[LeonardosBane]

Originally Posted by rickwj324

BOOTLEG: verb
1. make, distribute, or sell (illicit goods, especially liquor, computer software, or recordings) illegally.

Note the part that says: "sell illegally".

I'm not going to debate with you. You can call them what you like. Believe that a certain toy is a bootleg or not, it doesn't really matter to me. All of these items coming from overseas sellers (like aliexpress or ebay sellers) are in fact bootlegs. All of the JLU figures I have bought from sinodolls on ebay are no doubt manufactured by Mattel. I'm not saying that they are being made in some sweat-shop and are molded/casted by the bootleggers. I'm saying that most of these items (like the JLU and Imaginext toys I've bought) are either stolen from the factories or could be figures that didn't make the Q/A process possibly because of an incorrect paint app, or a slight flaw in the figure. Nonetheless they are bootlegs if they are being acquired by illegal means and sold.

This is the last I will post on the matter as I have better things to do than beat a dead horse over a subject that I can't believe is being argued about.

Rick

Bootleg toys are different from bootleg cigarettes, liquor, etc. Bootleg toys refer specifically to items manufactured by a third party that are (usually) of lesser quality. If you go around calling illegally sold/acquired toys bootlegs, you're going to get weird looks, because that's not what toy collectors mean when they say bootleg. Mainly what they're referring to is shoddily made toys that try to look official. They have their own charm and fans (that's why this thread has so many pages).

Calling stolen toys "bootlegs" might be technically correct in a dictionary sense, but it's incorrect in the sense of talking to other toy collectors. If a Target employee rips off a case of TMNT 2014 figures from the stock room and sells them to me at a steep discount, that may technically make them "bootlegs" by that definition, but it would be utterly stupid to call them that and post about them on this thread, because this thread is not for items manufactured by Playmates, there's a thousand other threads for talking about those.

[rickwj324]

Originally Posted by LeonardosBane

Bootleg toys are different from bootleg cigarettes, liquor, etc. Bootleg toys refer specifically to items manufactured by a third party that are (usually) of lesser quality. If you go around calling illegally sold/acquired toys bootlegs, you're going to get weird looks, because that's not what toy collectors mean when they say bootleg. Mainly what they're referring to is shoddily made toys that try to look official. They have their own charm and fans (that's why this thread has so many pages).

Calling stolen toys "bootlegs" might be technically correct in a dictionary sense, but it's incorrect in the sense of talking to other toy collectors. If a Target employee rips off a case of TMNT 2014 figures from the stock room and sells them to me at a steep discount, that may technically make them "bootlegs" by that definition, but it would be utterly stupid to call them that and post about them on this thread, because this thread is not for items manufactured by Playmates, there's a thousand other threads for talking about those.

Yeah..ok.

[Lordmylar06]

You guys, these are bootlegs. The misconception that high quality defeats bootleg status is ridiculous. These were probably made from the same mold, with the same type of plastic, but then instead of being sold through official channels, they were sold illegally. That determines bootleg status. Debating whether or not you see these as legit is a moot point when you know how it was made. You can liken it to burning copies of a computer program and then distributing. The quality of the product, better or worse, doesn't determine bootleg status.
Also, if a Target employee sells you action figures that he stole and turned over to you for a profit, it's not a bootleg. It's purchased stolen goods, not bootlegging.

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Lordmylar06

You guys, these are bootlegs. The misconception that high quality defeats bootleg status is ridiculous. These were probably made from the same mold, with the same type of plastic, but then instead of being sold through official channels, they were sold illegally. That determines bootleg status. Debating whether or not you see these as legit is a moot point when you know how it was made. You can liken it to burning copies of a computer program and then distributing. The quality of the product, better or worse, doesn't determine bootleg status.
Also, if a Target employee sells you action figures that he stole and turned over to you for a profit, it's not a bootleg. It's purchased stolen goods, not bootlegging.

They are not "recreated" figures from same/stolen molds... If they were, then why are all/many of them lacking accessories (shredder 2.0 missing helmet, dexter spackman missing feet, ninjas in training missing weapons etc) ???
Obviously the figures are easier to get hold of for them than the accessories. And there's only one source to get this from if they're not remaking it.

Originally Posted by rickwj324

Not sure if these are bootlegs or just leftovers from the Chinese factories, but I've been seeing a lot of them pop up on ebay, usually for around $8. It's the SDCC Leonardo without the base:

Rick

Your initial definition of bootleg is the same as everyone else's. But at this point, it's evident you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and started changing your definition to "illegal way of selling" instead.

[rickwj324]

I can't believe this is still an argument. How about we just move on to what this thread is for....which is posting bootleg items (whatever your definition of bootlegs may be).

[LeonardosBane]

Originally Posted by Lordmylar06

You guys, these are bootlegs. The misconception that high quality defeats bootleg status is ridiculous. These were probably made from the same mold, with the same type of plastic, but then instead of being sold through official channels, they were sold illegally. That determines bootleg status. Debating whether or not you see these as legit is a moot point when you know how it was made. You can liken it to burning copies of a computer program and then distributing. The quality of the product, better or worse, doesn't determine bootleg status.
Also, if a Target employee sells you action figures that he stole and turned over to you for a profit, it's not a bootleg. It's purchased stolen goods, not bootlegging.

Incorrect, we are talking about figures commonly referred to as "factory seconds." When a manufacturer produces a run of figures, there's ultimately some that do not make it to shelves due to QC issues. These figures are supposed to be destroyed, but end up being stolen/dumpster dived and sold on eBay. The argument here is whether such stolen figures (which were produced by Playmates as part of the total run of figures) qualify as bootlegs. I would call it purchasing stolen goods (same as a Target employee stealing the figures, just at a different point in the supply chain), and not a bootleg (while others have a differing opinion). What you're referring to with the molds is a different thing (and I would call those bootlegs).

[Raptor86]

I am thinking to buy some mousers from sinodolls. Are they good?

[DonatelloFan1984]

I had asked this in another thread and didn't end up getting a response so I figured I would try here. Does anyone recommend a seller for the bootleg NECA figures with the show colored bands. Thanks in advance guys.

EDIT: Here is the link to the set I am looking at. http://www.ebay.com/itm/310823443527...84.m1423.l2649

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Raptor86

I am thinking to buy some mousers from sinodolls. Are they good?

Out of the 16 that i bought, one is faulty. More reasons to believe they are factory rejects.

[Raptor86]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Out of the 16 that i bought, one is faulty. More reasons to believe they are factory rejects.

http://i.imgur.com/xHWHKHl.jpg

Well 1/16...I'll take the risk! Thanks for your opinion.

[Spidergreg]

Excuse me, what is this?

Saw this on display in a local toy shop.
Fingers look real, but that base........ hmmm....


sorry about the reflection on the image

Do we have a new version of bootlegged CC turtles among us?

[tengushredder]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Excuse me, what is this?

Saw this on display in a local toy shop.
Fingers look real, but that base........ hmmm....

http://i.imgur.com/4JNRxhe.jpg
sorry about the reflection on the image

Do we have a new version of bootlegged CC turtles among us?

got them very cool

[SavageSloth]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Excuse me, what is this?

Saw this on display in a local toy shop.
Fingers look real, but that base........ hmmm....

http://i.imgur.com/4JNRxhe.jpg
sorry about the reflection on the image

Do we have a new version of bootlegged CC turtles among us?

Ive got the same ones. Donatello has the silver wrapping on his bo staff. They are knock offs, but they actually look very good.

[Garreth]

Does this seem legit?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TMNT-Teen...item20e8470b2b

[mousesi2k]

Originally Posted by Garreth

Does this seem legit?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TMNT-Teen...item20e8470b2b

Those are the 2013 Reissues. Looks legit to me.

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Garreth

Does this seem legit?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TMNT-Teen...item20e8470b2b

Of course they're legit.