The Hulk...will you see it? - Page 3

*Mars-Chan* · 06-21-2003, 03:03 PM

Good Luck, Stryker!

*cqb101* · 06-21-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Im sure I will, Movies are my hobby, I watch most of the action and comedy titles. Only Marvel movie that has been Bad so far is Daredevil, I hope Hulk won't be another. But it's directed by Ang Lee, so it must be good.

Daredevil wasn't bad! The only bad one was the firss X-men movie.

**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 03:32 PM

I disagree strongly. It's the other way around. Daredvel is really cheesy movie, characters are very diffrent from their original counterparts IE Bullseye is funny when he shouldn't be, and Kinpin is totally diffrent to.

Im a big fan of Daredevil comics, but the movies wan't good. X-men on the other hand was. Plot is good, Actors are great and true to the originals[In most cases anyway].

I go to movies alot, [On my holiday week few eeks back I went to see 5 movies] and do have a habit to review them... I've even written few for school.

I consider Daredevil the only Bad NEW Marvel movie, but everyone can have their own opinion.

~~TheShredder~~ · 06-21-2003, 05:32 PM

I my see it but I think the Hulk looks to fake and cgi.

Mikey the Party Turtle · 06-21-2003, 05:47 PM

7.0/10
Good film with flaws.

Impressive CGI (Except for a fe occasions.)
Great Acting
Interesting story (And a dark one at that.)
Good character development
Hulk doing some serious damage. (The comic book fanboy in me giggled like a schoolgirl when Hulk had the cannon from the tank in his hands and acted like it was a bat.

)
Awesome editing (I wish nearly all comic book based movies were like this.)

Though the fight at the end was a little too dark (The lighting, not the atmosphere.), and I had a hard time telling WTF was going on sometimes, but overall, a very just ending to a deep movie.

(No Punisher trailer.

)

**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 06:02 PM

It premiered here Yesterday, Im probably going to go watch it next week.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-21-2003, 07:11 PM

See, I liked Daredevil, and so did all of my friends, none of which were familiar with the comic at all. Maybe that's what it is then, maybe if you just take movies like Hulk and Daredevil as movies, and not "comic book movies", they become more enjoyable.

And I personally thought Bullseye was the sh*t in that movie. I can't imagine he's any more entertaining in the comic. Colin Farrell's performance stole that movie.

liltimmyw · 06-21-2003, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

See, I liked Daredevil, and so did all of my friends, none of which were familiar with the comic at all. Maybe that's what it is then, maybe if you just take movies like Hulk and Daredevil as movies, and not "comic book movies", they become more enjoyable.

And I personally thought Bullseye was the sh*t in that movie. I can't imagine he's any more entertaining in the comic. Colin Farrell's performance stole that movie.

Word!

**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 07:17 PM

Maybe it's because Im a fan of the comic, They all just seem out of character in that movie. Colin Farrel is a great actor, but Bullseye isn't supposed to be SO crazy... Also the dialogie is so cheesy that at times it feels like unintentional comedy. It's the only one of New Marvel movies I don't like.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-21-2003, 07:37 PM

See, I can kind of understand, but then again there's a line between letting the comic fandom increase your enjoyment, and taking away from it. I mean I'm a huge Superman and Batman fan, and those movies (talking the first ones here) strayed pretty far from the comics at times, but they were still great movies because they succeeded not in translating the comic page, but in capturing the essence of the characters and adapting them, giving them an added dimension.

I guess I just kind of resent a lot of people who dislike Daredevil *only* because it was different from the comics, but that's because most of their arguments begin and end with "OMG Kingpin inst supsed to b BLACK WTF??!?" And to me that really shouldn't make a difference because Michael Clarke Duncan was excellent in the role and I don't think there are any white actors that size who could have done it as well. Add in the fact that millions more people go see movies than read comics, and it becomes even more of a pointless factor because a large percentage of the audience doesn't even know who Kingpin is, aside from the movie.

I didn't have a probelm with the dialog... so I'unno.

I know a lot of people didn't like the movie but I honestly don't see why... even though you explained why, I still can't quite grasp it, I dunno. I didn't think it was great or anything, but I definitely enjoyed it for what it was.

**Karpo_007** · 06-21-2003, 07:52 PM

I agree, comic movies should be enjoyed as movies, not as a live action conversions of the comics. It isn't just the comic thing, Spider-Man movie is very diffrent from the comics, and I still like it very much. So a comic movie can differ from the comics and still be excellent, but Daredevil just isn't..

I go to movies a lot, It's my hobby. In the summer even 3 movies a week. I have written several movie reviews for school, and heard they are pretty good. So I cpuld be considered "amateur movie critic". I do notice if the dialgue seems forced and cheesy, and that is the case with Daredevil. The movie also tries to createa dark athmosphere, but it fails. Mostly beacuse the chseesy dialogue that makes the movie seem like unintentional comedy at times.

So I guess it's all comes down to writing of the movie, If it would have been better, The movie would have probably worked. I think all of the actor in the movie are good, but the character chemistries just don't work. Othr people may have other theories, But I think it's the writing.

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheShredder

I my see it but I think the Hulk looks to fake and cgi.

Why do people have to complain about it being too CG? It's a movie, go watch and enjoy it. If you think you can do better then by all means go for it. Otherwise if you go in with that sort of mentality, you definitely will not enjoy it. Something comes to mind when I think of people that say it's too fake. What's the term? Suspension of disbelief?

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey the Party Turtle

7.0/10
Good film with flaws.

Impressive CGI (Except for a fe occasions.)
Great Acting
Interesting story (And a dark one at that.)
Good character development
Hulk doing some serious damage. (The comic book fanboy in me giggled like a schoolgirl when Hulk had the cannon from the tank in his hands and acted like it was a bat.

)
Awesome editing (I wish nearly all comic book based movies were like this.)

Though the fight at the end was a little too dark (The lighting, not the atmosphere.), and I had a hard time telling WTF was going on sometimes, but overall, a very just ending to a deep movie.

(No Punisher trailer.

)

What were the fe occasions where the CGI was unimpressive? If you want to see the punisher trailer, go to http://www.movie-list.com and look for punisher under coming soon or on the front page.

ironhelix · 06-21-2003, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

See, I can kind of understand, but then again there's a line between letting the comic fandom increase your enjoyment, and taking away from it. I mean I'm a huge Superman and Batman fan, and those movies (talking the first ones here) strayed pretty far from the comics at times, but they were still great movies because they succeeded not in translating the comic page, but in capturing the essence of the characters and adapting them, giving them an added dimension.

I guess I just kind of resent a lot of people who dislike Daredevil *only* because it was different from the comics, but that's because most of their arguments begin and end with "OMG Kingpin inst supsed to b BLACK WTF??!?" And to me that really shouldn't make a difference because Michael Clarke Duncan was excellent in the role and I don't think there are any white actors that size who could have done it as well. Add in the fact that millions more people go see movies than read comics, and it becomes even more of a pointless factor because a large percentage of the audience doesn't even know who Kingpin is, aside from the movie.

I didn't have a probelm with the dialog... so I'unno.

I know a lot of people didn't like the movie but I honestly don't see why... even though you explained why, I still can't quite grasp it, I dunno. I didn't think it was great or anything, but I definitely enjoyed it for what it was.

Word. You never hear comic book enthusiasts complain about how they change origins of characters over the years. I see the comic book based movies as though they were Annuals or One-Shots that put a different spin on the characters, because there isn't a SINGLE comic book movie that has been a 100% perfect translation.

**Karpo_007** · 06-22-2003, 04:16 AM

And there shouldn't be. Movie needs to be a compact experience for 90-120 minutes[Even more in some cases] And like with real books, they have get the essential about the comics. The time one Movie runs is not nearly enough for 100% accurate conversion, there's no point complaining about it.

ironhelix · 06-22-2003, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

And there shouldn't be. Movie needs to be a compact experience for 90-120 minutes[Even more in some cases] And like with real books, they have get the essential about the comics. The time one Movie runs is not nearly enough for 100% accurate conversion, there's no point complaining about it.

Exactly. I wasn't saying that adaptations should be 100% accurate. And it's not just because a 2 or even a three hour movie isn't long enough. It's that film and book are two different mediums, and seeing EVERYTHING lifted STRAIGHT from the book would be quite boring. DESPITE what book-fans say.

**Karpo_007** · 06-22-2003, 07:21 AM

Of course, comic books take teir time toi tell the story, while movies need to have something happening all the time. If you convert the story from one medium to other it never can be a 100% conversion.

*cqb101* · 06-22-2003, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow

i have no desire to see this movie...none.
waaaaaaaaay too animated cgi for me thank you.

Don't judge a movie by it's trailer.

ironhelix · 06-22-2003, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Of course, comic books take teir time toi tell the story, while movies need to have something happening all the time. If you convert the story from one medium to other it never can be a 100% conversion.

Which is what a lot of people don't understand and that bugs me. Oh well, can't change the entire world as much as we'd like I guess.

ironhelix · 06-22-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow

i have no desire to see this movie...none.
waaaaaaaaay too animated cgi for me thank you.

Don't judge a movie by it's trailer.

Damn straight man...

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06-21-2003, 03:32 PM	#43
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I disagree strongly. It's the other way around. Daredvel is really cheesy movie, characters are very diffrent from their original counterparts IE Bullseye is funny when he shouldn't be, and Kinpin is totally diffrent to. Im a big fan of Daredevil comics, but the movies wan't good. X-men on the other hand was. Plot is good, Actors are great and true to the originals[In most cases anyway]. I go to movies alot, [On my holiday week few eeks back I went to see 5 movies] and do have a habit to review them... I've even written few for school. I consider Daredevil the only Bad NEW Marvel movie, but everyone can have their own opinion.

06-21-2003, 05:32 PM	#44
~~TheShredder~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Throne Room Posts: 442	I my see it but I think the Hulk looks to fake and cgi.

06-21-2003, 05:47 PM	#45
Mikey the Party Turtle Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In the US of A. Yay. Posts: 442	7.0/10 Good film with flaws. Impressive CGI (Except for a fe occasions.) Great Acting Interesting story (And a dark one at that.) Good character development Hulk doing some serious damage. (The comic book fanboy in me giggled like a schoolgirl when Hulk had the cannon from the tank in his hands and acted like it was a bat. ) Awesome editing (I wish nearly all comic book based movies were like this.) Though the fight at the end was a little too dark (The lighting, not the atmosphere.), and I had a hard time telling WTF was going on sometimes, but overall, a very just ending to a deep movie. (No Punisher trailer. )

06-21-2003, 06:02 PM	#46
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	It premiered here Yesterday, Im probably going to go watch it next week.

06-21-2003, 07:11 PM	#47
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	See, I liked Daredevil, and so did all of my friends, none of which were familiar with the comic at all. Maybe that's what it is then, maybe if you just take movies like Hulk and Daredevil as movies, and not "comic book movies", they become more enjoyable. And I personally thought Bullseye was the sh*t in that movie. I can't imagine he's any more entertaining in the comic. Colin Farrell's performance stole that movie.

06-21-2003, 07:17 PM	#49
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Maybe it's because Im a fan of the comic, They all just seem out of character in that movie. Colin Farrel is a great actor, but Bullseye isn't supposed to be SO crazy... Also the dialogie is so cheesy that at times it feels like unintentional comedy. It's the only one of New Marvel movies I don't like.

06-21-2003, 07:37 PM	#50
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	See, I can kind of understand, but then again there's a line between letting the comic fandom increase your enjoyment, and taking away from it. I mean I'm a huge Superman and Batman fan, and those movies (talking the first ones here) strayed pretty far from the comics at times, but they were still great movies because they succeeded not in translating the comic page, but in capturing the essence of the characters and adapting them, giving them an added dimension. I guess I just kind of resent a lot of people who dislike Daredevil only because it was different from the comics, but that's because most of their arguments begin and end with "OMG Kingpin inst supsed to b BLACK WTF??!?" And to me that really shouldn't make a difference because Michael Clarke Duncan was excellent in the role and I don't think there are any white actors that size who could have done it as well. Add in the fact that millions more people go see movies than read comics, and it becomes even more of a pointless factor because a large percentage of the audience doesn't even know who Kingpin is, aside from the movie. I didn't have a probelm with the dialog... so I'unno. I know a lot of people didn't like the movie but I honestly don't see why... even though you explained why, I still can't quite grasp it, I dunno. I didn't think it was great or anything, but I definitely enjoyed it for what it was.

06-21-2003, 07:52 PM	#51
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I agree, comic movies should be enjoyed as movies, not as a live action conversions of the comics. It isn't just the comic thing, Spider-Man movie is very diffrent from the comics, and I still like it very much. So a comic movie can differ from the comics and still be excellent, but Daredevil just isn't.. I go to movies a lot, It's my hobby. In the summer even 3 movies a week. I have written several movie reviews for school, and heard they are pretty good. So I cpuld be considered "amateur movie critic". I do notice if the dialgue seems forced and cheesy, and that is the case with Daredevil. The movie also tries to createa dark athmosphere, but it fails. Mostly beacuse the chseesy dialogue that makes the movie seem like unintentional comedy at times. So I guess it's all comes down to writing of the movie, If it would have been better, The movie would have probably worked. I think all of the actor in the movie are good, but the character chemistries just don't work. Othr people may have other theories, But I think it's the writing.

06-22-2003, 04:16 AM	#55
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	And there shouldn't be. Movie needs to be a compact experience for 90-120 minutes[Even more in some cases] And like with real books, they have get the essential about the comics. The time one Movie runs is not nearly enough for 100% accurate conversion, there's no point complaining about it.

06-22-2003, 07:21 AM	#57
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Of course, comic books take teir time toi tell the story, while movies need to have something happening all the time. If you convert the story from one medium to other it never can be a 100% conversion.