Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Oh, you.

Boy, do I hate Smallville! Forever may it reign as the sh*ttiest Superman adaptation in the history of ever! Except that 1970s stage musical that we don't talk about, because I will cut you.

You love it -

[Leo656]

I deserve that for even bringing it up.

Sorry, everybody! I'm sorry.

[Commenter 42]

the condensed version is so much better -
Edited the previous post for our sanity. i'm contenplating a super cut of the musical soundtrack and the BVS trailer...Or Vice Versa...not sure which would be more awesome.

[Leo656]

It really is unbelievable that, in the grand scheme of things... THAT thing and the first Reeve movie existed within an eyelash of each other. It's just... wow.

Looks like Lesley Ann Warren is giving Kidder some competition for the "Most Coked-Up Scarecrow Version Of Lois Lane Ever" Award.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It really is unbelievable that, in the grand scheme of things... THAT thing and the first Reeve movie existed within an eyelash of each other. It's just... wow.

Looks like Lesley Ann Warren is giving Kidder some competition for the "Most Coked-Up Scarecrow Version Of Lois Lane Ever" Award.

I knew of it's existence, but until tonight, hadn't had the pleasure.
Took me a bit to post, cause I was looking for the most obnoxious part.

I started at the beginning....and well...let's say that's the high point - or maybe the point by which you should already be high....

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by Jester

So....how the heck old is Alfred Pennyworth? He raised Bruce, then adult Brucy has been Batman for 20 years....and may even be retired...BUT Alfred's still kickin' and looks pretty good I might add.

Clone? Robot? Suspended animation after being frozen in a block of ice? hehe

[Leo656]

Thus why character ages should be kept vague. So you can get the best actor for a role instead of who's the "Right Age" for it.

Now I get what Irons said in an interview a while ago where he said that his role was small, but super important. We probably won't see a ton of him in the film, but his role as Bruce's conscience will be hugely important to how events play out.

[Turo602]

Okay, so I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but is Batman a killer in this universe? In the original trailer we see Batman mow down some bad guys with the Batwing and after a million viewings of this trailer, I just noticed that in the scene where he's fighting those Superman soldiers he just straight up snaps a guy's neck. Are they ignoring the never kill code completely in this universe? First Superman with Zod and now Batman with everyone? I don't see how they can form a partnership if Batman is a merciless killer unless Superman is the same with his enemies. Not sure how I feel about this...

[The Stryker]

I think the desert/superman army stuff is a dream sequence. Atleast that's the vibe I get from it. Could easily be Lex using Zod's dream machine thing on Batman.

[Commenter 42]

Killing; It's what Heroes do.

Also I've never been a fan of dream sequences, sort of the same way i never actually want to hear about your dream last night.

[CyberCubed]

I worry this movie looks to be rushing too much in one film. You have the population learning to accept Superman, the introduction of Batman and his backstory, Batman and Superman meeting and fighting, the introduction of Wonder Woman and hopefully some backstory, a new Lex...and whatever else goes on in the film.

I feel like Wonder Woman should have been cut from this one and saved for a future film. Adding her into this one just feels odd.

[Krutch]

My random thoughts:

-Affleck will be the only good thing about this movie. Well, maybe Hans Zimmers score and Doomsday, if he happens to be in it.

-Happy to see Zack has found a style between Man of Steels bleak desaturated handheld look and Watchmens high contrast rich steadicam style. This should have been the aesthetic in the first film.

-Jesse Eisenberg as Lex was exactly what I pictured it to be. And that's not a good thing.

-Martha's "You don't owe these people a damn thing" speech. Great. So now both his parents are nuts. Based on what we've seen of each of their parenting skills, how is it possible Clark grew up to be who he was? "Or don't. You don't owe these people anything" is the new "I don't know. Maybe". These parents suck. They offer no guidance, and when your son has the powers of a god, you may want to consider nudging him in the direction that benefits mankind. Ugh.

-Wonder Woman looked cool, I guess. She had zero dialogue though. Makes ya wonder *rimshot*

-Yeah, did Batman straight up snap that guys neck? The hell??

-The way the trailer was cut together left the impression that Bruce had a wife or something that was in the building that was destroyed during MoS. And this brought Batman outof retirement (the training sequence) to fight Batman. Am I wrong to think that?

-I really want to geek out and get all excited about this as I'm far greater a fan of DCs characters than Marvels, but these people im seeing on screen are all strangers. It's just an angry, bleak world. I wouldn't want to live in a world where this is my Superman. And with that centrepiece misplaced the whole universe doesn't fit. Lex Luthor is a compelling character because his whole viewpoint on Superman is that we can't trust him. We can't trust anyone with that kind of power or appears to be that innocent and good. But the dichotomy is that we know Superman really IS that good and that we CAN trust him. But this guy? This Superman? We can't trust him. He's made questionable choices and was raised by parents who give him zero guidance when he needs it most. And we've seen that he's willing to place himself above the law and play judge, jury, and executioner when he feels fit to. Lex may seem like a bratty little bitch in this universe but ultimately he's right. And that doesn't make him a good villain; it means you screwed up on your hero.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

I think the desert/superman army stuff is a dream sequence. Atleast that's the vibe I get from it. Could easily be Lex using Zod's dream machine thing on Batman.

Really? What gave you that vibe?

Originally Posted by Krutch

-Martha's "You don't owe these people a damn thing" speech. Great. So now both his parents are nuts. Based on what we've seen of each of their parenting skills, how is it possible Clark grew up to be who he was? "Or don't. You don't owe these people anything" is the new "I don't know. Maybe". These parents suck. They offer no guidance, and when your son has the powers of a god, you may want to consider nudging him in the direction that benefits mankind. Ugh.

Um, what kind of a parent would Martha Kent be if she put the wieght of the world on her son's shoulders? Especially when he's probably feeling really sh*tty and guilty because of the way people are treating him. What's she supposed to say, "f*ck your life and save the world?" She's just reassuring her son by letting him know that she'd support his choice if he didn't want to deal with being a hero because ultimately, he didn't ask for it nor is he obligated to. He doesn't owe the world a thing and that's what makes him better. Superman doesn't save lives to payback Earth or humankind, he does it because he's a good person. If anything, that line makes Martha Kent feel more real. She's just a mother who loves her son and doesn't want to make him feel bad about saving lives when the rest of the world is crucifying him for it.

Originally Posted by Krutch

-The way the trailer was cut together left the impression that Bruce had a wife or something that was in the building that was destroyed during MoS. And this brought Batman outof retirement (the training sequence) to fight Batman. Am I wrong to think that?

Well for one, you're definitely wrong about Batman coming out of retirement to fight himself. It's called Batman v Superman. I also doubt he had a wife or that he lost anyone significant in that building. I'm sure it was just a natural reaction to seeing people die and buildings fall. Especially when the building belongs to him. That's what the letter meant when it said "you let your family die." His family being the company and also more than likely a parallel to Robin which means it was probably Red Hood who sent him that letter to begin with.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Turo602

Really? What gave you that vibe?

It just looks really out of place compared to the other stuff shown and the color pallette is very similar to the Zod and Superman Skeleton floor scene from MoS.

The Ma Kent line I take more as a mom that's defending her son. "You saved the entire world from certain doom and they treat you like garbage?"

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

It just looks really out of place compared to the other stuff shown and the color pallette is very similar to the Zod and Superman Skeleton floor scene from MoS.

The Ma Kent line I take more as a mom that's defending her son. "You saved the entire world from certain doom and they treat you like garbage?"

It definitely did look strange compared to the rest of the trailer. But we'll see.

Exactly, she's acting the way a mother would. I honestly don't see what's wrong with that. It just makes her more human as well as Jonathan Kent in Man of Steel. It's not like everyone in the world has advice prepared for their alien kid. Jonathan Kent just knew that he loved his son and didn't want to see him get taken away.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

To me, the desert scene appears to be the same setting where Superman is walking down a hall and the soldiers are kneeling. Supes looks all kinds of pissed off, and I'll throw a guess out here, maybe this is a point in the movie where he and Bats are on the same page, and maybe Superman is about to turn on them. I have a feeling something happens where Lex is put in charge of Superman, and maybe it's kryptonite or something else but he holds some sort of control over him. And this might be a point in the movie where he is freed of this with the help of Batman.

[Leo656]

I read somewhere in one of the leaks that the S-Shield Soldiers and the desert stuff is very likely a cut-away, like a dream sequence or "What If" type thing.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

That's very possible. I couldn't help but notice Superman's hair style changing from scene to scene so that could be one of the clues of real vs "what if".

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You love it -

Oh my god, the revenge song... I'm dying...

[Krutch]

I'll agree to disagree. The Kents in this movie are this universe's biggest problem. Superman is the product of perfect parenting; we could all be Superman if we had the Kents. In this universe we haven't seen anything from them that proves these two are anything close to that. And while yes, in this universe Clark isn't the perfect boyscout and he's still figuring out who he is, I'm not interested in that interpretation. Superman shouldn't have to cross the line to figure out where it is as he did in Man of Steel.

This movie just seems like the studio's way of saving face for all the destruction and Superman's actions while saying "Look! It was our plan all along! This WHOLE NEXT MOVIE is about how all the stuff that you didn't like was done on purpose!" while also shoving in Batman to guarantee sales.

Just bleh. I really want to be excited. Its Batman and Superman on screen together for the first time!! And I love those characters. But this isn't Superman to me. This is a weird untrustworthy alien stranger wearing his cape.