Which was better: 'Turtles Forever' or Trans-dimensional Turtles - Page 3

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 03-31-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I'm probably one of the few people who actually liked the flash animation style 2D depiction of the Fred Wolf universe. I feel like they were actually given an 80s feel, whereas in Turtles Forever they looked more 90s style. I will admit, I wish they had waited until after the events of the space travel storyarc to have this happen. I get that they were looking for an excuse to take the Nick Turtles back home to see Splinter again for a little bit, but it just convolutes everything what with the time travel thing going on.

I will admit, the flash animated 2D world has grown on me. It feels strangely good to look at it for me, and I love how the flash animation fluctuated from scene to scene, like in the end where the 80s Turtles fought tiger claw, just like how the animation style in the classic show varied from episode to episode.

*miru* · 04-01-2016, 11:40 AM

As the OT and Nick series are already close in their feel (more of 66 to Brave and the Bold as opposed to 66 vs. BTAS), the portrayals can (and must) be made incredibly accurate, and it allows for production jokes as opposed to deeper contrast. However, Forever had bigger stakes.

*MrPliggins* · 04-02-2016, 01:08 PM

I voted for TF. The 2d animation was much better in TF in my opinion. I loved the story, and pretty much everything about it. The out of character 87 Turtles seem to turn a lot of people off here. While some of those parts are cringe-worthy, it doesn't ruin the movie at all for me. And they actually were in-character at times too. It did take me a while to get used to the Turtles' voices, especially Leo.

I loved the old voice actors' return in TDT, especially Krang, and the scene where 87 Raph threw the pizza at the screen like the 87 opening. I was a little confused by some of the 2k12 story as I haven't watched any of the Nick toon since season 2. The 87 background music returning was also great in this one. I didn't like the 2d animation, and the similarity in plot to TF. I didn't care much for the 3d animated 87 Turtles either. For what it was, it was pretty good.

*pferreira* · 04-07-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by miru

As the OT and Nick series are already close in their feel (more of 66 to Brave and the Bold as opposed to 66 vs. BTAS), the portrayals can (and must) be made incredibly accurate, and it allows for production jokes as opposed to deeper contrast. However, Forever had bigger stakes.

I have to agree with you.

Danetello · 04-14-2016, 11:53 AM

It was a real tough choice, as I love both. I love that in Trans-D we get 3D Krang and Pat Fraley. However, TF connected the universes a little better, and of course was based around the 2k3 series, which is my favourite. So ultimately I voted for TF; but I do LOVE the new episode almost as much, too.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-14-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Pretty much everyone tbh. Almost everything has something to do with OT: TMNT IDW, TMNT movies, Nick TMNT, toys, games...

I daresay OT is even more important and groundbreakingly impactful than Mirage TMNT/Prime turtles tbh.

Yabuturtle · 04-15-2016, 10:58 PM

I think 80s Krang was a push over in the crossover and thought he should have been a much bigger threat, but then he was tossed aside by Kraang Subprime.

*plastroncafe* · 04-16-2016, 09:40 AM

Finally got a chance to see this.
I think I preferred Turtles Forever.
Don't get me wrong, it was fantastic to hear the original VAs do their stuff. And ****ing impressive that they can call back a singular voice they haven't regularly done in decades.

I'm saddened that the Mirage turtles didn't get voices. Also that the OT and Nick turtles didn't look like their respective comic book counterparts while they were in that world.

Yabuturtle · 04-17-2016, 10:16 PM

Transdimensional Turtles was better overall. The 80s turtles acted like their versions while in TF, they were exaggerated and did a lot of things that were out of character. Not to mention of course TT had the original voice actors which was nice and even Pat Fraley returned to voice Krang.

I felt Krang should have been given a much bigger role as he was basically a screw up that was banished by the Kraang but really Krang should have been the mastermind of the entire thing. I would have liked them to use the Technodrome though. Krang should have pushed Kraang Subprime around, not the other way around.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-18-2016, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

Transdimensional Turtles was better overall. The 80s turtles acted like their versions while in TF, they were exaggerated and did a lot of things that were out of character. Not to mention of course TT had the original voice actors which was nice and even Pat Fraley returned to voice Krang.

I felt Krang should have been given a much bigger role as he was basically a screw up that was banished by the Kraang but really Krang should have been the mastermind of the entire thing. I would have liked them to use the Technodrome though. Krang should have pushed Kraang Subprime around, not the other way around.

Agree with you for the most part. However, I think Kraang subprime bossing his cousin around was a nice touch. It would give us an explanation as to why Krang was so arrogant and bossy towards Shredder on earth.

*Utrommaniac* · 04-18-2016, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Agree with you for the most part. However, I think Kraang subprime bossing his cousin around was a nice touch. It would give us an explanation as to why Krang was so arrogant and bossy towards Shredder on earth.

The cycle continues

SubPrime bossed around Krang, so Krang bosses around Shredder, who in turn bosses around Bebop and Rocksteady (and also Baxter Stockman briefly.)

BUUUT then Kraang Prime bosses around SubPrime, so now the pecking order has gone even longer!

Yabuturtle · 04-18-2016, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Agree with you for the most part. However, I think Kraang subprime bossing his cousin around was a nice touch. It would give us an explanation as to why Krang was so arrogant and bossy towards Shredder on earth.

I feel like I missed some episodes. Was Krang really a Kraang or did he have a body? Krang is supposed to have had a body but the Kraang, I thought, were brain-like aliens and were basically mutated Utroms. So which story are they going with? Because if this 80s Krang is supposed to be the one from the 1987 cartoon then he couldn't have been cousins to Subprime if Krang originally had a body and if he was banished to the 2 dimensional Dimension X, why would he refer to it as his home and native origin?

Why is Krang being bossed around by Subprime anyway? Krang can grow to the size of Godizlla and he's worried about Subprime? Can Subprime do that? I don't recall but I could be wrong.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-18-2016, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I feel like I missed some episodes. Was Krang really a Kraang or did he have a body? Krang is supposed to have had a body but the Kraang, I thought, were brain-like aliens and were basically mutated Utroms. So which story are they going with? Because if this 80s Krang is supposed to be the one from the 1987 cartoon then he couldn't have been cousins to Subprime if Krang originally had a body and if he was banished to the 2 dimensional Dimension X, why would he refer to it as his home and native origin?

Why is Krang being bossed around by Subprime anyway? Krang can grow to the size of Godizlla and he's worried about Subprime? Can Subprime do that? I don't recall but I could be wrong.

Its complicated I agree. But I have attempted to explain how Krangs backstory in the fred wolf cartoon is linked to his origins with subprime. Go to the 'Crossovers with the OT' thread in the General Tmnt discussion and you should see it there.

Yabuturtle · 04-21-2016, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Its complicated I agree. But I have attempted to explain how Krangs backstory in the fred wolf cartoon is linked to his origins with subprime. Go to the 'Crossovers with the OT' thread in the General Tmnt discussion and you should see it there.

I will check it out for sure., But it's still strange. I mean basically the 87 toon is in canon with the 12 toon as well? They never once mentioned that Krang was a Kraang. And they specifically said he had a body. I remember Subprime saying that he banished Krang to 2 dimensional Earth. But we all know Krang was from Dimension X which he said was his home dimension. Is there two dimension X's as well? A 2D one and a 3D one?

I am surprised more people haven't questioned it before because with Krang being a Kraang and having a totally different backstory, it kind of contradicts of what was set up in the 87 toon. I guess they decided to do a recton or something.

cryan · 04-22-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebot

I chose Transdimensional Turtles because it felt a lot more real with the original voice actors.

Yeah, I am old fuddie duddie but I liked trans-dimensional too. I do think they treated the Fw turtles better then TF did.

Yabuturtle · 04-23-2016, 11:02 PM

Also the 87 turtles were depicted to be more competent than in TF. They did some silly stuff in TT but they actually held their own against Subprime and the others. I liked that Krang wasn't a push over like he is sometimes in the cartoon, as he actually was a threat, especially when he grew into a giant. Although he only seemed to be as big as King Kong, as opposed to Godzilla like he was when he first turned into a giant.

Which of course begs the question as to why Krang was being bossed around by Subprime when Subprime was not only in the tehnodrome but Krang can turn into a giant. I actually thought this series was going to depict Krang as the main villain of the 12 series, as I thought he was behind creating the Kraang, even Kraang Prime. After all, this is a guy that also cloned himself in Invasion of the Krangazoids. So really, I thought it was going to reveal Krang to be the final main villain of the 12 series, which I think would have been preferable, rather than see him get pushed around by Subprime.

SKX31 · 05-02-2016, 02:23 PM

I'm late to the ball here, but I'm in the Forever camp. Not because of 2K3 fanboyism, though:

From a production standpoint, Forever was from the get go planned as Mirage-era TMNT's last hurrah (and it turned out to be 4Kids' last as a company pretty much) and it showed. You can tell when Dong Woo (the animation studio for 2K3) got OT's original 2D models and everything related to that.

Yes, the OT Turtles were flanderized to a degree, but even then there are some stand out moments. Like OT Splinter - as he serves some rice and supports 2K3 Leo and Raph through the emotional pain of losing 2K3 Splinter. No jokes at his expense, just respect payed to him. I think that not having him in more scenes - like the final battle at Mirageverse - was a bit of a missed opportunity. Imagine OT Splinter staring down OT Shredder when Yoshi realizes that Saki freed Ch'rell - aka an omnicidal version of "Saki" - and set off the whole potentially-multiverse destroying chain of events to begin with. Remember, even in the rather wacky Turtleverse Saki still framed Yoshi for attempted murder pretty much.

I'm kinda getting the sense, otoh, that TDT went through at least some trouble during production. Wasn't there rumors here that it was supposed to be a two parter at first? I'm reserving full judgement until after the second OT-Nick crossover's released, but the animation quality and the kinda rehashed scenario did not exactly win me over.

Having the original voice cast is a very nice bonus, no doubt, but gotta utilize them more. Explore the differences between Nick Leo and OT Leo, for example - if possible of course. Like showing how they can complement each other with their respective views on leading.

hankthetank · 05-03-2016, 09:54 PM

I'm going with TDT for the reason that they did the 87 Turtles better. The point of a crossover is to have both sides involved Turtles Forever is a great part of the 2K3 series but just wasn't accurate to the original. The closest it got was Donatello using a boulder as a weapon to attack the foot soldiers and Raphs fourth wall jokes. Watching TDT felt like another episode of the original cartoon they even got the epic fighting music right on que.

Yabuturtle · 05-04-2016, 02:33 AM

I think the best thing about TT is that the 87 turtles were a lot more competent. In TF they did a few useful things and of course they easily beat their own villains, like the foot soldiers, but really, with the way they and Shredder and Krang were portrayed, pretty much anyone can beat them. In TF a lot of the time the 87 turtles got their ass kicked or were shoved aside and were useful in only a few situations.

In TT, they actually held their own against the enemies of the 2012 universe, like the Kraang and Krang Subprime. Krang himself was also a lot more dangerous when he grew bigger, he of course put up a much better fight than he did in TF.

I still wonder why Krang even bothered to take orders from Subprime when Krang can grow to the size of Godzilla.

*Chris* · 05-04-2016, 05:36 PM

The Nick episode was a lot of fun but gotta give this to Turtles Forever, it had the length that allowed it to feel more epic, plus it worked well as a finale to the 4Kids era and a celebration of TMNT so far which all added to that more epic feel.

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04-14-2016, 11:53 AM	#45
Danetello Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 571	It was a real tough choice, as I love both. I love that in Trans-D we get 3D Krang and Pat Fraley. However, TF connected the universes a little better, and of course was based around the 2k3 series, which is my favourite. So ultimately I voted for TF; but I do LOVE the new episode almost as much, too. __________________ Dan. Check out all of my TMNT reviews here!

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04-01-2016, 11:40 AM	#42
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	As the OT and Nick series are already close in their feel (more of 66 to Brave and the Bold as opposed to 66 vs. BTAS), the portrayals can (and must) be made incredibly accurate, and it allows for production jokes as opposed to deeper contrast. However, Forever had bigger stakes.

04-02-2016, 01:08 PM	#43
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	I voted for TF. The 2d animation was much better in TF in my opinion. I loved the story, and pretty much everything about it. The out of character 87 Turtles seem to turn a lot of people off here. While some of those parts are cringe-worthy, it doesn't ruin the movie at all for me. And they actually were in-character at times too. It did take me a while to get used to the Turtles' voices, especially Leo. I loved the old voice actors' return in TDT, especially Krang, and the scene where 87 Raph threw the pizza at the screen like the 87 opening. I was a little confused by some of the 2k12 story as I haven't watched any of the Nick toon since season 2. The 87 background music returning was also great in this one. I didn't like the 2d animation, and the similarity in plot to TF. I didn't care much for the 3d animated 87 Turtles either. For what it was, it was pretty good.

04-15-2016, 10:58 PM	#47
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	I think 80s Krang was a push over in the crossover and thought he should have been a much bigger threat, but then he was tossed aside by Kraang Subprime.

04-17-2016, 10:16 PM	#49
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	Transdimensional Turtles was better overall. The 80s turtles acted like their versions while in TF, they were exaggerated and did a lot of things that were out of character. Not to mention of course TT had the original voice actors which was nice and even Pat Fraley returned to voice Krang. I felt Krang should have been given a much bigger role as he was basically a screw up that was banished by the Kraang but really Krang should have been the mastermind of the entire thing. I would have liked them to use the Technodrome though. Krang should have pushed Kraang Subprime around, not the other way around.

04-23-2016, 11:02 PM	#56
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	Also the 87 turtles were depicted to be more competent than in TF. They did some silly stuff in TT but they actually held their own against Subprime and the others. I liked that Krang wasn't a push over like he is sometimes in the cartoon, as he actually was a threat, especially when he grew into a giant. Although he only seemed to be as big as King Kong, as opposed to Godzilla like he was when he first turned into a giant. Which of course begs the question as to why Krang was being bossed around by Subprime when Subprime was not only in the tehnodrome but Krang can turn into a giant. I actually thought this series was going to depict Krang as the main villain of the 12 series, as I thought he was behind creating the Kraang, even Kraang Prime. After all, this is a guy that also cloned himself in Invasion of the Krangazoids. So really, I thought it was going to reveal Krang to be the final main villain of the 12 series, which I think would have been preferable, rather than see him get pushed around by Subprime.

05-02-2016, 02:23 PM	#57
SKX31 Random Punk Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Stockholm Posts: 47	I'm late to the ball here, but I'm in the Forever camp. Not because of 2K3 fanboyism, though: From a production standpoint, Forever was from the get go planned as Mirage-era TMNT's last hurrah (and it turned out to be 4Kids' last as a company pretty much) and it showed. You can tell when Dong Woo (the animation studio for 2K3) got OT's original 2D models and everything related to that. Yes, the OT Turtles were flanderized to a degree, but even then there are some stand out moments. Like OT Splinter - as he serves some rice and supports 2K3 Leo and Raph through the emotional pain of losing 2K3 Splinter. No jokes at his expense, just respect payed to him. I think that not having him in more scenes - like the final battle at Mirageverse - was a bit of a missed opportunity. Imagine OT Splinter staring down OT Shredder when Yoshi realizes that Saki freed Ch'rell - aka an omnicidal version of "Saki" - and set off the whole potentially-multiverse destroying chain of events to begin with. Remember, even in the rather wacky Turtleverse Saki still framed Yoshi for attempted murder pretty much. I'm kinda getting the sense, otoh, that TDT went through at least some trouble during production. Wasn't there rumors here that it was supposed to be a two parter at first? I'm reserving full judgement until after the second OT-Nick crossover's released, but the animation quality and the kinda rehashed scenario did not exactly win me over. Having the original voice cast is a very nice bonus, no doubt, but gotta utilize them more. Explore the differences between Nick Leo and OT Leo, for example - if possible of course. Like showing how they can complement each other with their respective views on leading.

05-03-2016, 09:54 PM	#58
hankthetank Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 15	I'm going with TDT for the reason that they did the 87 Turtles better. The point of a crossover is to have both sides involved Turtles Forever is a great part of the 2K3 series but just wasn't accurate to the original. The closest it got was Donatello using a boulder as a weapon to attack the foot soldiers and Raphs fourth wall jokes. Watching TDT felt like another episode of the original cartoon they even got the epic fighting music right on que.

05-04-2016, 02:33 AM	#59
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	I think the best thing about TT is that the 87 turtles were a lot more competent. In TF they did a few useful things and of course they easily beat their own villains, like the foot soldiers, but really, with the way they and Shredder and Krang were portrayed, pretty much anyone can beat them. In TF a lot of the time the 87 turtles got their ass kicked or were shoved aside and were useful in only a few situations. In TT, they actually held their own against the enemies of the 2012 universe, like the Kraang and Krang Subprime. Krang himself was also a lot more dangerous when he grew bigger, he of course put up a much better fight than he did in TF. I still wonder why Krang even bothered to take orders from Subprime when Krang can grow to the size of Godzilla.

05-04-2016, 05:36 PM	#60
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	The Nick episode was a lot of fun but gotta give this to Turtles Forever, it had the length that allowed it to feel more epic, plus it worked well as a finale to the 4Kids era and a celebration of TMNT so far which all added to that more epic feel.