Ways the new "film" could have been moderately acceptable - Page 2

*Andrew NDB* · 06-03-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Don't mind Andrew NDB, He's only into the mirage comics, and never got into latter stuff.

Don't take his comments seriously.

Well, I got into it with the FW stuff like most folks. I get that adult fans can sit here 25 years later and, you know, debate the logic in the Pizza Monster episode of the show, or which accessory of the toys is coolest... that's fine. I just outgrew it. And I do like other TMNT things.

* I like a healthy portion of the Archie comics. I don't know that I would necessarily want to see more of it now as an adult, but it's too ingrained in my childhood not to still enjoy the heck out of it. Plus, it's not remotely as vapid as the cartoon that spawned it.
* I like the first NES TMNT game. It was surprisingly innovative for its time and versatile in its gameplay. They gave up after that. The new one might be OK, seems to be an IDW adaptation and seems like it captures the spirit. And Waltz worked on it so that's cool. I will give it a gander at some point.
* I like about 70% of the 1990 movie.
* I like about... 40% of the 2007 movie.
* I have an I love-you/I-hate-you affair with the IDW book. But it's always been well-written. It definitely has its moments. Kind of wish it would stop trying to please everybody and sort of just do its own thing, but it's maybe it's too late for that and it seems fairly committed to being a jambalaya of everything TMNT -- the good and a disproportionate % of the bad. Every new incarnation of TMNT doesn't need new Bebops, Rocksteadys, Mechaturtles, Mutagen Mans, and all of that.
* I enjoy the Nickelodeon cartoon with my daughter. It's not the TMNT to me, but it's funny and we enjoy it.

But I agree, it's probably much easier and simpler to just shrug and go, "Oh yeah, mean 'ole Andrew, he doesn't like nuthin but Mirage!"

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It had to be said.
Though...I should point out my immediate bias: I haven't seen the second one.
(I wonder if I still have that 5th of vodka left over from trying to watch the first one....)

Let me know when you find it.

*Galactus* · 06-03-2016, 11:06 PM

Well I'm kind of at at a disadvantage with this as I have not seen the movie and despite being naturally very curious was going to stick to my guns and not see I must admit the fact that it looks to be flopping strangely makes me open to seeing it.

Based on what I know about the movie and assuming in broad strokes the plot would be the same I think some tweaks would have made me interested in seeing it.

1 The car chase/Shredder breakout wouldn't have had Shredder teleported way but escape via traditional means like jumping out of the police truck into a helicopter or something. Begin grounded and build up to the sci fi elements. I've said before that I wish that even in a car there was perhaps opportunities for more traditional combat. Perhaps the roof or sides of the truck opens up and some of the turtles bat off Foot Ninja trying to board it.

2 I wasn't expecting it to be in there but given that Splinter's role in this is largely to give Leo and the pep talks I don't think a reference to Hamato Yoshi could have easily been worked in. Given the attempt to disconnect from the previous movie I don't think anyone would concern themselves with how this squares with the previous movie's lab origin. In fact you could work in that he was murdered by Saki.

3 I would have had it established that Shredder had worked with Krang off screen all along and the invasion was something they'd planned and now is the time to strike rather than just have them team up randomly in this movie. That way it can implied there is a motive for them to work together this way even if they don't say it.

4 I don't see why they cast an actor like Brian Tee when it sounds like he does less than the character did in the previous one. No need to bogged down too much by continuity with the previous movie but if they didn't want to keep Masamune I would have had Tee's version have similar scars. Also it's very disappointing he doesn't fight anyone at all. Surely there must have been some opportunity to have him fight the turtles maybe even reference Yoshi. Telling Leonardo or Splinter something like "I'll kill you like I killed that traitor Yoshi".

5 Casey should have had a more blue collar job. Perhaps a mechanic for his parents auto shop and when gangs continually terrorize his neighborhood (perhaps even have a reference to the old says hinting at the Purple Dragons and what Hun did to his father) he goes to the police and Linney's character is sympathetic but it's clear the NYPD are focused on recapturing Shredder he decides to take things into his own hands.

vicsavage · 06-03-2016, 11:41 PM

Cut Shredder and the Foot entirely and just have Baxter Stockman team up with Krang, create Bebop and Rocksteady. It eliminates antagonists who don't actually do anything while giving time for other characters to develop.

*Shark_Blade* · 06-04-2016, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vicsavage

Cut Shredder and the Foot entirely and just have Baxter Stockman team up with Krang, create Bebop and Rocksteady. It eliminates antagonists who don't actually do anything while giving time for other characters to develop.

But then that wouldn't stay true to the credits song ending: "When the evil Shredder attacks".

*Andrew NDB* · 06-06-2016, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

But then that wouldn't stay true to the credits song ending: "When the evil Shredder attacks".

Technogeek29 · 06-06-2016, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Wait wait wait...am I taking this to mean you've SEEN the new movie?

If you've seen my spiel on the movie I spoil quite a lot of it.

Technogeek29 · 06-06-2016, 11:24 PM

Focus more on Baxter for one, I liked him the most in this movie.

Now we had our OT movie can we please do something else?

*neatoman* · 06-07-2016, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

But then that wouldn't stay true to the credits song ending: "When the evil Shredder attacks".

When the evil Shredder attacks (after at least an hour and a half of doing basically nothing)... He gets frozen like a little bitch and the final battle is against a character who was barely in the movie...

*Andrew NDB* · 06-08-2016, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

When the evil Shredder attacks (after at least an hour and a half of doing basically nothing)... He gets frozen like a little bitch and the final battle is against a character who was barely in the movie...

The irony... "when the eeeevil Shredder attacks." But he doesn't. And that's the iteration they're dry-humping for apparently two hours.

Technogeek29 · 06-08-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The irony... "when the eeeevil Shredder attacks." But he doesn't. And that's the iteration they're dry-humping for apparently two hours.

Sad thing is he is more of a wimp then the OT Shredder.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-09-2016, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Don't mind Andrew NDB, He's only into the mirage comics, and never got into latter stuff.

Don't take his comments seriously.

But all his points are true though.....

Like it or not, he's right.

Maybe the next movies can be serious re-imagining. I mean... it worked for the Dark Knight Trilogy.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-16-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Maybe the next movies can be serious re-imagining. I mean... it worked for the Dark Knight Trilogy.

I just hope they don't take away the wrong message from OotS. i.e., "Damn, we didn't go goofy enough! We didn't add enough Fred Wolfisms!"

*neatoman* · 06-16-2016, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I just hope they don't take away the wrong message from OotS. i.e., "Damn, we didn't go goofy enough! We didn't add enough Fred Wolfisms!"

Uh yeah, no f*cking way they're gonna think that... Unless they're literally drooling morons.

This movie was so childish and goofy, it made Ice Age 3 look like a serious movie... No, even Ice Age 3 doesn't deserves to be compared to this movie.

They are probably going to use Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Technodrome for future movies but I seriously doubt another movie that's actually similar to this will happen anytime soon.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 06-16-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Uh yeah, no f*cking way they're gonna think that... Unless they're literally drooling morons.

Um...

It's been my understanding that they are, in fact, literally drooling morons.

My brother-in-law works as the drool-cup emptier on set. He had to have about a dozen vaccinations before starting the job.

*Jephael* · 06-17-2016, 11:38 PM

*after having read this entire thread*

*Coola Yagami* · 06-18-2016, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Um...

It's been my understanding that they are, in fact, literally drooling morons.

My brother-in-law works as the drool-cup emptier on set. He had to have about a dozen vaccinations before starting the job.

Considering these are the same guys that originally wanted the Turtles to be aliens and Eric Sucks to be Shredder.... yeah... drooling morons.

Walkabout · 06-18-2016, 08:25 AM

Well I haven't seen this new Bayturtles movie (or the last one) and have no desire to...I've seen what the characters look like (Shrek, Megan Fox and Arrow) and I've seen the first two Bayformers movies (and have the brain damage to prove it) so I know exactly what I would be in for.

If the TMNT (and Splinter, April, Casey etc) just had their traditional look instead of...THAT I would have more than likely been pretty affable about these movies.

Cryomancer · 06-19-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I just hope they don't take away the wrong message from OotS. i.e., "Damn, we didn't go goofy enough! We didn't add enough Fred Wolfisms!"

I feel like I would dislike these movies slightly less if they did actually go full idiot cartoon with them instead of trying to do this half measures crap where they want to somehow be both "not your dad's tmnt" and "literally your tmnt, dad". Pick one! And if it's the "not", just adapt some of the good ****! I don't see how this is such a difficult concept for them.

I also think Will Arnett would have been a possibly good casting choice for Vernon if he was actually acting the character straight from the cartoon. I mean, no one wanted him back at all, but if we had to, that seemed like it could have worked. But then he's just nothing like him so what was the point?

*CyberCubed* · 06-19-2016, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomancer

I also think Will Arnett would have been a possibly good casting choice for Vernon if he was actually acting the character straight from the cartoon. I mean, no one wanted him back at all, but if we had to, that seemed like it could have worked. But then he's just nothing like him so what was the point?

Really? He acted exactly like a real life Vernon would. He even took the credit for saving NYC from Shredder and scooped April on her story. Of course he was more friendly with her too but that doesn't matter.

*IndigoErth* · 06-19-2016, 08:05 PM

True, I hadn't thought of that, Vern taking credit. Though more accurately should have taken credit away from April instead. (But Turtles... you did make that deal with him. Maybe it was his milking it to that extent that got to them though.)

I don't mind his Vern, but playing a snotty, whiny, cowardly Vernon would have been amusing. (Or annoying.)

06-03-2016, 11:06 PM	#22
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	Well I'm kind of at at a disadvantage with this as I have not seen the movie and despite being naturally very curious was going to stick to my guns and not see I must admit the fact that it looks to be flopping strangely makes me open to seeing it. Based on what I know about the movie and assuming in broad strokes the plot would be the same I think some tweaks would have made me interested in seeing it. 1 The car chase/Shredder breakout wouldn't have had Shredder teleported way but escape via traditional means like jumping out of the police truck into a helicopter or something. Begin grounded and build up to the sci fi elements. I've said before that I wish that even in a car there was perhaps opportunities for more traditional combat. Perhaps the roof or sides of the truck opens up and some of the turtles bat off Foot Ninja trying to board it. 2 I wasn't expecting it to be in there but given that Splinter's role in this is largely to give Leo and the pep talks I don't think a reference to Hamato Yoshi could have easily been worked in. Given the attempt to disconnect from the previous movie I don't think anyone would concern themselves with how this squares with the previous movie's lab origin. In fact you could work in that he was murdered by Saki. 3 I would have had it established that Shredder had worked with Krang off screen all along and the invasion was something they'd planned and now is the time to strike rather than just have them team up randomly in this movie. That way it can implied there is a motive for them to work together this way even if they don't say it. 4 I don't see why they cast an actor like Brian Tee when it sounds like he does less than the character did in the previous one. No need to bogged down too much by continuity with the previous movie but if they didn't want to keep Masamune I would have had Tee's version have similar scars. Also it's very disappointing he doesn't fight anyone at all. Surely there must have been some opportunity to have him fight the turtles maybe even reference Yoshi. Telling Leonardo or Splinter something like "I'll kill you like I killed that traitor Yoshi". 5 Casey should have had a more blue collar job. Perhaps a mechanic for his parents auto shop and when gangs continually terrorize his neighborhood (perhaps even have a reference to the old says hinting at the Purple Dragons and what Hun did to his father) he goes to the police and Linney's character is sympathetic but it's clear the NYPD are focused on recapturing Shredder he decides to take things into his own hands. Last edited by Galactus; 06-03-2016 at 11:12 PM.

06-06-2016, 11:24 PM	#27
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Focus more on Baxter for one, I liked him the most in this movie. Now we had our OT movie can we please do something else? __________________

06-17-2016, 11:38 PM	#35
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	after having read this entire thread __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

06-18-2016, 08:25 AM	#37
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	Well I haven't seen this new Bayturtles movie (or the last one) and have no desire to...I've seen what the characters look like (Shrek, Megan Fox and Arrow) and I've seen the first two Bayformers movies (and have the brain damage to prove it) so I know exactly what I would be in for. If the TMNT (and Splinter, April, Casey etc) just had their traditional look instead of...THAT I would have more than likely been pretty affable about these movies. __________________ "When did Mickey become Sherk?" -Ralph R.I.P. Dave Brockie A.K.A. Oderus Urungus None But The Brave

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06-03-2016, 11:41 PM	#23
vicsavage Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 179	Cut Shredder and the Foot entirely and just have Baxter Stockman team up with Krang, create Bebop and Rocksteady. It eliminates antagonists who don't actually do anything while giving time for other characters to develop.

06-19-2016, 08:05 PM	#40
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	True, I hadn't thought of that, Vern taking credit. Though more accurately should have taken credit away from April instead. (But Turtles... you did make that deal with him. Maybe it was his milking it to that extent that got to them though.) I don't mind his Vern, but playing a snotty, whiny, cowardly Vernon would have been amusing. (Or annoying.)