America's Legal Smoking Age Is Being Raised To 21

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

A real nanny state would have just made them 100% illegal.

It's called "a step in the wrong direction". They're telling adults what to do and not do. Bad enough for me.

Don't know what your Apocalypse gif was about, but your idea is nonsense. I know you live in a big city where one can go anywhere they need to with relative ease. But all the under-21 people in the rest of the country literally need to drive to get to work/school/anywhere.

I don't know why I'm attempting to debate you on anything, though. Your worldview is as static as cybercubed's.

[mrmaczaps]

Smokers are evil selfish people. They don't care where they are or if its legal or not and they just do as they please. Done with a cigarette, just toss it out the window... no smoking sign? Stand right on front of it and puff away. Get fired for smoking at work because of zero tolerance policy? Get pissed at everyone and scream and yell about "fairness". Smoke breaks all day long about every hour? Non smoking coworker has to deal with your stench for 8.5-9 hours a day.

As a non-smoker forever having to wade through a$$hats smoking wherever they want, I've stopped going most places that won't ask their customers to move away from open doorways or sitting/standing within the 20 foot radius of the front door...

Smoking is selfish. Plain and simple.

[Powder]

As a former smoker;

[ABrown]

People still smoke? What year is this, 1984? I hear there's a new comic book: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles coming out this year. I'll have to check it out.

[Prowler]

There's definitely many smokers who are dicks and have no respect for others, even if there's children and people with breathing problems around who can't stand the smoke. But not every smoker is like that, obviously. The thing is, the world is full of tobacco smokers, so mathematically speaking, many of them are gonna be rude and selfish people.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It's called "a step in the wrong direction". They're telling adults what to do and not do. Bad enough for me.

Don't know what your Apocalypse gif was about, but your idea is nonsense. I know you live in a big city where one can go anywhere they need to with relative ease. But all the under-21 people in the rest of the country literally need to drive to get to work/school/anywhere.

I don't know why I'm attempting to debate you on anything, though. Your worldview is as static as cybercubed's.

"From the ashes of this world, we will build another one!"
Is the line that goes with the .gif. I thought it appropriate.

I didn't always live in a big city, and I counted on carpooling and my bicycle to get just about anywhere in any weather. And I'm old enough to remember when families had a single car for a family of four.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ABrown

People still smoke? What year is this, 1984? I hear there's a new comic book: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles coming out this year. I'll have to check it out.

I was in High School and College in the early 2000's and I saw people smoking all the time. Even at the job you see people smoke time and time again when they're on break.

Smoking is definitely not something that ever died out.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I was in High School and College in the early 2000's and I saw people smoking all the time. Even at the job you see people smoke time and time again when they're on break.

Smoking is definitely not something that ever died out.

There are more than likely fewer people smoking compared to 1984.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

"From the ashes of this world, we will build another one!"
Is the line that goes with the .gif. I thought it appropriate.

I didn't always live in a big city, and I counted on carpooling and my bicycle to get just about anywhere in any weather. And I'm old enough to remember when families had a single car for a family of four.

Well really, the world would be a better place if we all stopped driving. But we can't.

I'll begrudgingly maybe kinda sorta say 18 to have a license. But the last thing we, as a culture, need to do is further postpone adulthood and independence.

After 18 though, I'd argue that's unconstitutional.

[Cure]

I hate when I be on the street and I see a fly honey walking by and I'm all like daaamn gurl and then she pulls out a cigarette. Fantasy ROONED.

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

This. Upping the smoking age to 21 will just want kids under that age to do it even more.

Yep, that was my first thought when I read the news. I've heard it said that college serves as life's laboratory where some basically try everything that comes with that new found freedom. If something's off limits to folks in the 19 to 21 year old age range, some of them are going to want to experiment with it even more. However, I hope it's a deterrent for some. I never started because I wanted more cash to spend on action figures! I forget how many packs my stepdad buys a week, but he always says he'd save quite a bit of money if he up and quit for good. Hasn't happened yet, but we'll see. I've never considered myself the adventurous or daring type, so that might also have something to do with not starting.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

There are more than likely fewer people smoking compared to 1984.

Or by the 1950's 60's when smoking was advertised everywhere. Billboards, buses, commercials in cinemas, radio and TV, newspapers,

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Smoking is selfish. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by ABrown

People still smoke? What year is this, 1984?

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Or by the 1950's 60's when smoking was advertised everywhere. Billboards, buses, commercials in cinemas, radio and TV, newspapers,

None of this means anything.

[Prowler]

...are there people who are actually surprised that smoking tobacco is still common? Is smoking tobacco not that big in the USA anymore, or something?

Ok, it's wiki and all but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_per_capita

...how can Koreans and Japanese live so long smoking that much and leading such stressful lives?

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Cure

I hate when I be on the street and I see a fly honey walking by and I'm all like daaamn gurl and then she pulls out a cigarette. Fantasy ROONED.

And then after you're disgusted by the smell of the cigarette she gets you for harassment.

[plastroncafe]

Maybe their cigs have less added to them than ours do?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

John Oliver did an expose on the tobacco industry awhile back; quite fascinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by Prowler

...are there people who are actually surprised that smoking tobacco is still common? Is smoking tobacco not that big in the USA anymore, or something?

Ok, it's wiki and all but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_per_capita

...how can Koreans and Japanese live so long smoking that much and leading such stressful lives?

Their smoking related death stats are much the same as the USA and Australia. They probably have other things going for them that contributes to their overall longevity, although looking at Wikipedia, Japan's mortality rate is pretty bad comparatively.

I’m really of two minds about smoking. I watched my uncle slowly die of mouth cancer, my aunt of emphysema after three years of breathing from a tank. My grandfather also died of emphysema, my grandmother had it but it didn’t kill her, and after watching her live with it for years, I’m not sure which is worse. My dad smoked since he was 16, tried to quit several times but would always lapse after a month of making everyone else in the house miserable. He finally quit when he found out my sister had taken it up.

It’s clearly bad for you, and we can argue about how bad cars are etc. but at least cars serve a purpose, whereas smoking is completely unnecessary. At the same time, if people want to do something that’s bad for them, who am I to stand in their way?

I bet second hand smoke is bad for people in confined spaces, but it’s being banned in outdoor areas and university campuses routinely, with the effects of second hand smoke used as a justification. Outdoors? Is there literally nowhere on a university campus that someone can smoke without significantly contributing carcinogens into the atmosphere? I really hate it when people use bullsh*t to advance a cause, no matter how righteous it is.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Prowler

...are there people who are actually surprised that smoking tobacco is still common? Is smoking tobacco not that big in the USA anymore, or something?

Ok, it's wiki and all but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ion_per_capita

...how can Koreans and Japanese live so long smoking that much and leading such stressful lives?

Probably diet and moving around more compared to those in the US...but still seems like cancer in general is a biggie in Japan.

Anyway, despite the fact that they use cigarette vending machines here (along with alcohol ones), the smoking rate has dropped quite a bit (was mentioned on the news before) and I am encountering more people who don't smoke compared to my first time in Japan.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Probably diet and moving around more compared to those in the US...but still seems like cancer in general is a biggie in Japan.

Anyway, despite the fact that they use cigarette vending machines here (along with alcohol ones), the smoking rate has dropped quite a bit (was mentioned on the news before) and I am encountering more people who don't smoke compared to my first time in Japan.

Well, what kind of food do Japanese usually eat? Are the health benefits of sushi that good? And don't lots of Japanese eat instant food and such?

Sadly, cancer is common in all over the developed world. Back in the 70s-80s, you'd know or hear of one or two people in your area that died of cancer or had cancer. But nowadays, it seems everyone has a relative or two who has had cancer or has died of it. It's quite frightening.