How You Rank Each Episode of Season 4

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

Oh come on Vicky, just because it has great animation and is new doesn't mean it's that good. I wouldn't even put it in the top 10:

Chill mate, opinions are like rules, made to be challenged or respect.

Anyways, list update:

1. Transdimensional Turtles
2. Darkest Plight
3. The Arena of Carnage
4. The Cosmic Ocean
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Mutant Gangland
7. The Super Shredder
8. The Weird World of Wyrm
9. Revenge of the Triceratons
10. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
11. Broken Foot
12. The Outlaw Armaggon!
13. City at War
14. Beyond the Known Universe
15. The Power Inside Her
16. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
17. Earth's Last Stand
18. The War for Dimension X!
19. The Insecta Trifecta
20. Bat in the Belfry
21. The Moons of Thalos 3
22. The Evil of Dregg

[Aaronardo]

Well, this update is a long time coming. I didn't update my list after episode 8 because I basically gave up hope for the season. Only now is it giving me a reason to care about it.

1. Darkest Plight
2. Mutant Gangland
3. The Arena of Carnage
4. The Outlaw Armaggon
5. The Insecta Trifecta
6. The Super Shredder
7. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
8. The Cosmic Ocean
9. The Power Inside Her
10. Beyond The Known Universe
11. Broken Foot
12. City At War
13. Revenge of the Triceratons
14. The Ever-Burning Fire
15. The War For Dimension X
16. The Weird World of Wyrm
17. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
18. Bat In The Belfry
19. The Evil Of Dregg
20. Journey Into The Center of Mikey's Mind
21. The Moons of Thalos 9
22. Earth's Last Stand (I really did almost give up on the show right here)

Words can't describe how disappointed I am with this season, though. Every episode should be at least "The Cosmic Ocean" quality. Season 1 writers wouldn't be caught dead writing episodes with lower quality than that. "Darkest Plight" is the example on how this show should be making every serious episode and "The Insecta Trifecta" is the example on how this show should be making every goofy/fun episode.

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

I would debate The Croaking being just as bad, if not the worst episode of the series. The same can be said for Evil of Dregg, I've wanted to quit at least three times this season, but man ELS is still unimpressive, even if I find a few more worse in the season.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

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Words can't describe how disappointed I am with this season, though. Every episode should be at least "The Cosmic Ocean" quality. Season 1 writers wouldn't be caught dead writing episodes with lower quality than that. "Darkest Plight" is the example on how this show should be making every serious episode and "The Insecta Trifecta" is the example on how this show should be making every goofy/fun episode.

Earth's Last Stand is easily the worst episode in the whole show. Some of the biggest inconsistencies in time travel I've ever seen are present and it's just so lazily done.

I wouldn't say they're inconsistencies, it's more like they broke the rules. I can't remember Peter DiCicco's tweet or quote from the ELS discussion, but some have argued (and he may have been one of them) that this was more of a blurring between time and reality like JL tried to do with "A Better World" up until "Divided We Fall"; so that it felt like it was more of creating a new reality than fixing a timeline. I myself don't see it so, yeah, I think Auman broke the rules he established in "Tale of the Yokai" more than anything else.

Even then, I would say that "Earth's Last Stand" is FAR from the worst episode of the series. It's got bigger problems than the whole time conundrum (Tiger Claw, the introduction of the devastator, etc.) IMO but it's not the worst episode we've had.

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Chill mate, opinions are like rules, made to be challenged or respect. .....

Originally Posted by Vicky82

It's my opinion not yours, deal with it. I don't complain about your list.

We should have a debate about each others' lists when this season is over.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

I would debate The Croaking being just as bad, if not the worst episode of the series. The same can be said for Evil of Dregg, I've wanted to quit at least three times this season, but man ELS is still unimpressive, even if I find a few more worse in the season.

Oh man, I completely forgot about The Croaking. I only bothered to watch that episode once and I don't really remember much about it, other than it being unimpressive. I guess it must be a contender. If I ever find the time, I'll see to suffering through it again

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

I wouldn't say they're inconsistencies, it's more like they broke the rules. I can't remember Peter DiCicco's tweet or quote from the ELS discussion, but some have argued (and he may have been one of them) that this was more of a blurring between time and reality like JL tried to do with "A Better World" up until "Divided We Fall"; so that it felt like it was more of creating a new reality than fixing a timeline. I myself don't see it so, yeah, I think Auman broke the rules he established in "Tale of the Yokai" more than anything else.

Even then, I would say that "Earth's Last Stand" is FAR from the worst episode of the series. It's got bigger problems than the whole time conundrum (Tiger Claw, the introduction of the devastator, etc.) IMO but it's not the worst episode we've had.

Yes, but when Justice League did it, they established that yes, those were the rules and the whole point of the plot was that they broke said rules. ELS just throws all kinds of paradoxes around and expects you to believe it. By all means, this universe should cave into itself and cease to exist due to the events of that episode.

Outside of the god-awful time-travel writing, everybody is out of character when character is something you need the most of (Raph isn't angry at Fugitoid for not telling them his secret, Donnie doesn't feel used or betrayed, etc), they reversed one of the gutsiest and best moments of the show, the Triceratons get a very small sendoff for being such big villains, and they give us the bullsh*t "oh, Fugitoid's alive!" thing at the end. And the plot is inconsistent. It can't keep itself from going from one different thing to the other.

Everything that's bad about the show is dialed up a couple notches plus all those ridiculous time-travel paradoxes and inconsistencies are present in ELS, which is definitely why it's my least-favorite episode in the show.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Oh man, I completely forgot about The Croaking. I only bothered to watch that episode once and I don't really remember much about it, other than it being unimpressive. I guess it must be a contender. If I ever find the time, I'll see to suffering through it again

In a nutshell (because I want to keep the thread on course), I just hate it for one reason: Michelangelo. His character just went so far south in the episode after some great moments in season 2 (especially The Invasion, shown in Vicky's signature). I mean, he runs away for making a simple mess of the house? If season 1 I buy, but not season 3. The fact that Mikey got away with little to no repercussions makes me angry; could it not have been Mikey messes up the retromutagen accidentally when trying to help and feel upset for it?

I didn't like the Punk Frogs either; it was cool for Jon Heder to voice Napoleon, but the Frogs were just as generic as their Fred Wolf counterparts. A frog colony... weak for me personally; designs also didn't stand out either. Literally, the one thing the episode has is a nod to 2k14 Turtles on the computer, the only (slightly) redeemable aspect of the episode. Everything else was just... blah.
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[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Yes, but when Justice League did it, they established that yes, those were the rules and the whole point of the plot was that they broke said rules. ELS just throws all kinds of paradoxes around and expects you to believe it. By all means, this universe should cave into itself and cease to exist due to the events of that episode.

Outside of the god-awful time-travel writing, everybody is out of character when character is something you need the most of (Raph isn't angry at Fugitoid for not telling them his secret, Donnie doesn't feel used or betrayed, etc), they reversed one of the gutsiest and best moments of the show, the Triceratons get a very small sendoff for being such big villains, and they give us the bullsh*t "oh, Fugitoid's alive!" thing at the end. And the plot is inconsistent. It can't keep itself from going from one different thing to the other.

Everything that's bad about the show is dialed up a couple notches plus all those ridiculous time-travel paradoxes and inconsistencies are present in ELS, which is definitely why it's my least-favorite episode in the show.

Just for the record, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! As much as I hate ELS however, I was just saying that we've had worse, even this season.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

Just for the record, I'm not disagreeing with you at all! As much as I hate ELS however, I was just saying that we've had worse, even this season.

Fair enough. There are definitely some contenders for worst of the show in this season, particularly in that first half.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

In a nutshell (because I want to keep the thread on course), I just hate it for one reason: Michelangelo. His character just went so far south in the episode after some great moments in season 2 (especially The Invasion, shown in Vicky's signature). I mean, he runs away for making a simple mess of the house? If season 1 I buy, but not season 3. The fact that Mikey got away with little to no repercussions makes me angry; could it not have been Mikey messes up the retromutagen accidentally when trying to help and feel upset for it?

I didn't like the Punk Frogs either; it was cool for Jon Heder to voice Napoleon, but the Frogs were just as generic as their Fred Wolf counterparts. A frog colony... weak for me personally; designs also didn't stand out either. Literally, the one thing the episode has is a nod to 2k14 Turtles on the computer, the only (slightly) redeemable aspect of the episode. Everything else was just... blah.
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Sorry, jumping in to say, at least you couldn't swap one frog for the other. At least they were distinctive here, unlike the OT. As a kid, I didn't know one from the other since they all sounded alike and looked alike, sans their weapons. Now back to debating. ^^

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Sorry, jumping in to say, at least you couldn't swap one frog for the other. At least they were distinctive here, unlike the OT. As a kid, I didn't know one from the other since they all sounded alike and looked alike, sans their weapons. Now back to debating. ^^

Only one I find actually noticeable is Napoleon in this series. The others... who were they again?

[TMNTInsighter]

"Tokka vs the World" was definitely one of the best episodes of the season and is a contender for best episode. I still think I'll put DP and CO ahead of it though.

1. The Cosmic Ocean
2. Darkest Plight
3. Tokka vs the World
4. Beyond the Known Universe
5. The Super Shredder

[JH24]

1. Darkest Plight
2. City at War
3. Broken Foot
4. Revenge Of The Triceratons
5. Super Shredder
6. The Weird World Of Wyrm
7. The Ever-Burning Fire
8. Bat in the Belfry
9. Beyond The Known Universe
10. Trans Dimensional Turtles
11. The Arena Of Carnage
12. The Outlaw Armaggon
13. Earth's last stand
14. Mutant Gangland
15. Tokka vs. the world
16. Power inside her
17. The War For Dimension X
18. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
19. The Cosmic Ocean
20. The Moons Of Thalos 3
21. Insecta Trifecta
22. Evil of Dregg
23. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind

[MrTMNT2012]

1.) Owari

2.) Requiem

3.) Darkest Plight

4.) Mutant Gangland

5.) Tokka Vs. The World

Honourable mention to Broken Foot.

Every single other episode was completely and utterly forgettable.

[ssjup81]

I decided to finally do this. Here is the order I would put them in, I guess…

1. Broken Foot
2. Mutant Gangland
3. City at War
4. Tokka vs the World
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Tale of Tigerclaw
7. The Darkest Plight
8. The Super Shredder
9. The Power Inside Her
10. The Journey to the Center of Mikey’s Mind
11. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
12. Earth’s Last Stand
13. The Evil of Dregg
14. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
15. The Outlaw Armaggon
16. The Insecta Trifecta
17. The Bat in the Belfry
18. The War for Dimension X
19. The Arena of Carnage
20. Beyond the Known Universe
21. The Moons of Thalos 3
22. Revenge of the Triceratons
23. The Cosmic Ocean
24. The Weird World of Worm

[Vicky82]

Updated, Owari takes no 1

1. Owari
2. Requiem
3. Darkest Plight
4. The Super Shredder
5. The Power Inside Her
6. Broken Foot
7. City At War
8. Revenge of the Triceratons
9. Tale of Tiger Claw
10. Tokka vs The World
11. The Ever-Burning Fire
12. The Evil Of Dregg
13. Mutant Gangland
14. Riddle Of The Ancient Aeons
15. Earth's Last Stand
16. Journey To The Center of Mikey's Mind
17. Trans Dimensional Turtles
18. The Arena Of Carnage
19. The War For Dimension X
20. Beyond The Known Universe
21. The Cosmic Ocean
22. The Insecta Trifecta
23. Bat In The Belfry
24. The Moons Of Thalos 3
25. The Outlaw Armaggon
26. The Weird World Of WYRM

[BYWInsaniac]

This is a little something for everyone who has posted a list.

Ranking the episodes 1-26 only says which episodes you liked more than others. You can still think #18 is a good episode, but 1-17 were just better.

So I'm curious where you all draw the line between "good," "so-so," and "bad" episodes on your lists? Like, #1-6 were "good," 7-20 were "so-so," and 21-26 were trash.

-JJ

[GoldMutant]

This list was a chore to make; I may update it very soon, but here's the current ranking for this time:

1. Darkest Plight
2. Tokka vs the World
3. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
4. Owari
5. The Ever-Burning Fire
6. Requiem
7. Mutant Gangland
8. The Super Shredder
9. The Cosmic Ocean
10. The Arena of Carnage
11. The Outlaw Armaggon!
12. Broken Foot
13. The Weird World of Wyrm
14. City at War
15. The Insecta Trifecta
16. The Tale of Tiger Claw
17. Bat in the Belfry
18. The War for Dimension X!
19. Revenge of the Triceratons
20. The Power Inside Her
21. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
22. Beyond the Known Universe
23. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
24. Earth's Last Stand
25. The Moons of Thalos 3
26. The Evil of Dregg

Originally Posted by BYWInsaniac

This is a little something for everyone who has posted a list.

Ranking the episodes 1-26 only says which episodes you liked more than others. You can still think #18 is a good episode, but 1-17 were just better.

So I'm curious where you all draw the line between "good," "so-so," and "bad" episodes on your lists? Like, #1-6 were "good," 7-20 were "so-so," and 21-26 were trash.

-JJ

I made this classification before.

My two cents is this: Evil of Dregg up to Bat in the Belfry were awful (specifically anything in the 20s personally), Tale of Tiger Claw to Outlaw Armaggon I consider mixed, and anything above Armaggon I liked.

Granted, my list I still wish to edit very soon, but this is where I'd put them. My bottom five and top five though are not changing anytime soon, except for 4 and 5 on the top and probably 23 at the bottom.

[Aaronardo]

Hey look at that, the season is over.

1. Requiem/Owari (as far as I'm concerned, these are two episodes)
2. Darkest Plight
3. Tokka VS The World
4. Mutant Gangland
5. The Arena of Carnage
6. The Outlaw Armaggon
7. The Insecta Trifecta
8. The Super Shredder
9. Trans-Dimensional Turtles
10. The Cosmic Ocean
11. The Power Inside Her
12. Beyond The Known Universe
13. Broken Foot
14. City At War
15. Revenge of the Triceratons
16. The Tale of Tiger-Claw
17. The Ever-Burning Fire
18. The War For Dimension X
19. The Weird World of Wyrm
20. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons
21. Bat In The Belfry
22. The Evil Of Dregg
23. Journey Into The Center of Mikey's Mind
24. The Moons of Thalos 9
25. Earth's Last Stand

In the end, the season managed to deliver somewhat with those last few episodes, but my opinion stands on the majority of the episodes, especially the first half -- a lot of them really suck. Here's to hoping they can carry the quality found in Darkest Plight and Requiem/Owari over to Season 5.

[GoldMutant]

So hey, should we do what the guy said?

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

We should have a debate about each others' lists when this season is over.

[ToTheNines]

Excellent:
1. Requiem
2. Darkest Plight
3. Owari
4. Super Shredder
5. Transdimensional Turtles
6. The War for Dimension X

Good:
7. The Cosmic Ocean
8. Mutant Gangland
9. City at War
10. Tokka vs. The World
11. Broken Foot
12. Insecta Trifecta
13. Arena of Carnage
14. Earth's Last Stand
15. Moons of Thalos 3

Decent:
16. The Power Inside Her
17. The Outlaw Armaggon
18. The Ever Burning Fire
19. Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind
20. Tale of Tiger Claw
21. Bat in the Belfry

Grabage
22. Beyond the Known Universe
23. Revenge of the Triceratons
24. Wyrm
25. The Evil of Dregg
26. Riddle of the Ancient Aeons

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

So hey, should we do what the guy said?

No, but we could make fun of him for being a huge tool.