Free speech dead in the UK?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

I don't get it. It's almost like the UK Government cares more about 'wrong-think' than it does about children being raped by backward thinking ideologues simply because said ideologues are brown.

Men are literally raping little girls in the thousands and the feminists and progressives don't seem to care. They're more interested in getting rid of Robinson for 'hate speech' . It's a damn strange time to be alive.

You can't make political points by defending little girls from backwards ****wads nowadays. And if you try - you're fascist, become "not all Muslims are like that".
Except while indeed some of them might not be like that, but their very toxic and sexist culture encourages such type of behavior, which is being praised by braindead lefties as "unique and beautiful".

It clearly paints a very "nice" picture what are modern "brave lefties" nowadays. Sexist, misogynistic idiots they are, who are using ideas of equality to virtue signal and play "woke" olympics. And they will throw in the grinder everyone who dare to oppose them, be it women, children, it doesn't matter for them. They operate like a new religion. Zealous adherence to the FAITH or a you are literal subhuman.

What exactly you can expect from a movement that genuinely proclaims that "men can become women" and should violate privacy and safety of the women and advocate prostitution on the grounds "but women have no other way to survive, better put them dick in a mouth".

[Galactus]

No. Just no. **** off with this ****.

Yaxley was not arrested for exercising free speach, he was arrested for contempt of court by trying to influence jurors which could have seen the case thrown out and the perpetrators walk free.

If he was just some rando guy that's mad that media isn't talking about Muslim grooming gangs enough or in the right way you might overlook this but he's a professional grifter who has repeatedly done this before and warned that it would see rapists go free which is presumably what he wants so he can go on his internet shows and demos and rant about how PC culture has infected the court system and protecting radical muslims and make a whole lot of money doing it.

Also in the particular case the ring leaders of the gang are not Muslim. Again if Yaxley was just some guy that saw some Asian criminals and just assumed they were Muslim you could dismiss him as a random crackpot but he knows what he's doing. He knows that he pass Sikhs off as Muslim and it's better to do this as Sikhs are lower down on the scary scale.

Speaking of which please spare painting him as a friend to the 'good' minorities. The EDL recruitment stuff makes it clear they are anti-Islam, anti-LGBT, anti-Jews and so on. The fact that he has 'friends' in minorities he rails against is nothing new. The best gig some people in minorities can get is to partner up with the far right and parrot their views. See we can't be sexist/homophobic/racists we have a woman/gay/black guy saying the same thing. These people are usually tossed out after they have outlived their usefulness.

It's kinda ironic that the Police are the most venerated public servants after the armed forces to the point that any criticism is shouted down as unpatriotic by the political right but then these "Tommy Robinson" protesters throw glass bottles, throw metal fences, spit and generally assault the police and apparently that's fine. I mean this is not being covered that much by the news either but no one is crying cover up (even though if any minority group was doing you'd bet it would much better covered) all in the false view that free speech is being quashed.

The best trick the alt-right ever learned was to re-frame their bigoted arguments as free speach ones. People across the political spectrum used to frown upon holocaust denial then the alt-right swapped saying "the holocaust didn't happen" with "why am I not allowed to say the holocaust didn't happen" and then just like that people are instantly neutered and to (varying degrees) forced to be cool with holocaust denial. That's the real political correctness gone mad.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by Galactus

No. Just no. **** off with this ****.

Yaxley was not arrested for exercising free speach, he was arrested for contempt of court by trying to influence jurors which could have seen the case thrown out and the perpetrators walk free.

If he was just some rando guy that's mad that media isn't talking about Muslim grooming gangs enough or in the right way you might overlook this but he's a professional grifter who has repeatedly done this before and warned that it would see rapists go free which is presumably what he wants so he can go on his internet shows and demos and rant about how PC culture has infected the court system and protecting radical muslims and make a whole lot of money doing it.

Also in the particular case the ring leaders of the gang are not Muslim. Again if Yaxley was just some guy that saw some Asian criminals and just assumed they were Muslim you could dismiss him as a random crackpot but he knows what he's doing. He knows that he pass Sikhs off as Muslim and it's better to do this as Sikhs are lower down on the scary scale.

Speaking of which please spare painting him as a friend to the 'good' minorities. The EDL recruitment stuff makes it clear they are anti-Islam, anti-LGBT, anti-Jews and so on. The fact that he has 'friends' in minorities he rails against is nothing new. The best gig some people in minorities can get is to partner up with the far right and parrot their views. See we can't be sexist/homophobic/racists we have a woman/gay/black guy saying the same thing. These people are usually tossed out after they have outlived their usefulness.

It's kinda ironic that the Police are the most venerated public servants after the armed forces to the point that any criticism is shouted down as unpatriotic by the political right but then these "Tommy Robinson" protesters throw glass bottles, throw metal fences, spit and generally assault the police and apparently that's fine. I mean this is not being covered that much by the news either but no one is crying cover up (even though if any minority group was doing you'd bet it would much better covered) all in the false view that free speech is being quashed.

The best trick the alt-right ever learned was to re-frame their bigoted arguments as free speach ones. People across the political spectrum used to frown upon holocaust denial then the alt-right swapped saying "the holocaust didn't happen" with "why am I not allowed to say the holocaust didn't happen" and then just like that people are instantly neutered and to (varying degrees) forced to be cool with holocaust denial. That's the real political correctness gone mad.

I'd love to see more outrage like this aimed at the people harming children. Instead you focus all your ire at one man who did nothing but talk. Sorry, I can't agree with you on this. The majority of these grooming gangs are majority muslim. They're raping your children.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

I'd love to see more outrage like this aimed at the people harming children. Instead you focus all your ire at one man who did nothing but talk. Sorry, I can't agree with you on this. The majority of these grooming gangs are majority muslim. They're raping your children.

Can't we be outrages at both? Can't we demand justice for victims of grooming gangs (Muslim or otherwise) and violent racist thus like Yaxley?

Yaxley wasn't just talking he was actively interfering with a trial. Again if was just some random idiot you could dismiss this but he's been warned when he's done this before that his actions could see the case thrown out and pedophiles walk free but he's done it again.

If he cared one tiny bit about victims of child grooming he'd let justice run it's course. Instead he keeps doing things that could see criminals walk free. The only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that he wants them to go free then can he rabble rouse on the internet and his demos and make a whole lot of money doing it.

He can still do his activism and "journalism" just obey the law. Also if he was confident in his anti-Islam stance he'd stick to facts rather than lie and distort facts like in this case when the ring leaders were not Muslim as he claimed.

Speaking of distorting facts after years of forwarding myths of Muslim no go areas were police don't patrol it's a sad irony that the only time I've seen the police run away from a threat is when Yaxley's Nazi saluting supporters have assaulted, threw glass bottles and metal fences and spat at them. They literally chased them down the street. With all the protests that get out of hand and riots that are happening it only these far right ones - now in support of a fraud he wont use his real name - that get that level of violent.

We can and should be outraged at both.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Can't we be outrages at both? Can't we demand justice for victims of grooming gangs (Muslim or otherwise) and violent racist thus like Yaxley?

Yaxley wasn't just talking he was actively interfering with a trial. Again if was just some random idiot you could dismiss this but he's been warned when he's done this before that his actions could see the case thrown out and pedophiles walk free but he's done it again.

If he cared one tiny bit about victims of child grooming he'd let justice run it's course. Instead he keeps doing things that could see criminals walk free. The only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that he wants them to go free then can he rabble rouse on the internet and his demos and make a whole lot of money doing it.

He can still do his activism and "journalism" just obey the law. Also if he was confident in his anti-Islam stance he'd stick to facts rather than lie and distort facts like in this case when the ring leaders were not Muslim as he claimed. You and I just grew up in different countries. In the US the KKK has a right to do what they do. I despise that they are racist pieces of scum, but they have the right to be vile pieces of crap.

Speaking of distorting facts after years of forwarding myths of Muslim no go areas were police don't patrol it's a sad irony that the only time I've seen the police run away from a threat is when Yaxley's Nazi saluting supporters have assaulted, threw glass bottles and metal fences and spat at them. They literally chased them down the street. With all the protests that get out of hand and riots that are happening it only these far right ones - now in support of a fraud he wont use his real name - that get that level of violent.

We can and should be outraged at both.

I think there are levels. Being outraged at a group of men for harming children is absolutely appropriate. Getting mad at someone for having the wrong opinion and voicing it? Anything above being mildly annoyed is uncalled for.

[plastroncafe]

So at least we're in agreement that his opinions are wrong.
Well, that's some common ground at least.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

Getting mad at someone for having the wrong opinion and voicing it? Anything above being mildly annoyed is uncalled for.

How about getting mad about a racist c*nt that co-founded a hate group tried to screw over the court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial against the groomers this "journalist" pretends to care about getting jail time.

That's not just "having the wrong opinion"

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

I think there are levels. Being outraged at a group of men for harming children is absolutely appropriate. Getting mad at someone for having the wrong opinion and voicing it? Anything above being mildly annoyed is uncalled for.

He wasn't arrested for having a wrong opinion and voicing it.

He was arrested for trying to interfere with jurors. He was already on a suspended sentence for doing this and warned if he did it again that he'd go to prison. I'm pretty sure similar laws exist in the United States. What we should be outraged about is that he did this knowing that it endangered the case and almost allowed ringleaders of grooming gangs to go free.

We should also be outraged that his supporters are turning very, very violent.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by Galactus

He wasn't arrested for having a wrong opinion and voicing it.

He was arrested for trying to interfere with jurors. He was already on a suspended sentence for doing this and warned if he did it again that he'd go to prison. I'm pretty sure similar laws exist in the United States. What we should be outraged about is that he did this knowing that it endangered the case and almost allowed ringleaders of grooming gangs to go free.

We should also be outraged that his supporters are turning very, very violent.

That's how the court is wrapping it to justify going after him. They arrested him, sentenced and jailed him in a matter of hours. This was a witch hunt. The worst part about this is they wouldn't even let him have his own lawyer.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

How about getting mad about a racist c*nt that co-founded a hate group tried to screw over the court by publishing information that could prejudice an ongoing trial against the groomers this "journalist" pretends to care about getting jail time.

That's not just "having the wrong opinion"

Again, this is how it was painted by the government that went after him. How could he influence the jury? Are they not sequestered in your country? Again, I am disturbed by the outrage thrown at him. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with the rage being placed where it belongs, at the people that harmed children.