Should "hate speech" be criminalized in the U.S.?

[Leo656]

Kojima says.

For one thing, it directly continues the story out from Metal Gear 2. Although it retcons the ending to say that Big Boss told Snake he was his father, which doesn't actually happen onscreen in MG2.

Furthermore, MGS was internally known as "Metal Gear 3" very early in the development, but they figured people would be dissuaded from playing it if they'd never played MG 1 or 2. Also, the jump from 2D sprites to 3D polygons gave them the loose idea for the "Solid" name, in lieu of calling it "Part 3" of anything.

It's mostly marketing. But indeed, officially, MGS is "Metal Gear 3". Kojima-san and others have gone into this many times.

It's a dead brand now, anyway, so it's not like it matters. Like sure, they could technically set a game in between MG2 and MGS1, but seeing how Snake was retired and mushing dogs in Alaska most of that time, there'd be very little of importance to cover.

And they shouldn't keep it going without Kojima, anyway.

[Candy Kappa]

If only we got remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake on the Fox Engine instead of Survive (yuck). Although, MGS already redid a lot from MG2

[Andrew NDB]

What about this game?



Metal Gear 1.5? Or Metal Gear 2.5?

[Candy Kappa]

Non-canon sequel to Metal Gear 1

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Non-canon sequel to Metal Gear 1

Is it really contradicted by anything afterward? I've always wondered.

[Leo656]

Yes, very.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Is it really contradicted by anything afterward? I've always wondered.

Well, there are no mentions of Snake's Revenge plot in MG2 or any other installment. Plus both games takes place 3 years after the first game and have several contradictions with each other, like in MG2, Snake is retired while in SR he's still in FOXHOUND

Metal Gear Ghost Babel is also non-canon

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What about this game?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-USA-REV-A.jpg

Metal Gear 1.5? Or Metal Gear 2.5?

Sequel for the NES Metal Gear made without Kojima participation.
Considered non-canon, though, some ideas from it intentionally or not, ended up in "canon" games.

[DarkFell]

'Hate Speech' thread meets Metal Gear players. This is better than the Sonic Thread.

Stay awesome, you guys.

[Leo656]

Spoiler:

Hey, Y'know what's a GREAT way to minimize "hate speech"?

Spoiler:

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by DarkFell

'Hate Speech' thread meets Metal Gear players. This is better than the Sonic Thread.

Stay awesome, you guys.

I bet some Metal Gear players will find a DEEP meaning in this.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If only we got remakes of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake on the Fox Engine instead of Survive (yuck). Although, MGS already redid a lot from MG2

That was the next big plan, before the infamous falling out with Konami. Kojima had talked openly about rebuilding MG1 and 2 on the Fox engine - possibly as one game that takes place over a few years - so the entire series would be consistent, visually and gameplay-wise (more or less).

He dragged his feet on it a bit, because he said he'd have to re-write the entire story to compensate for some story discrepancies that had crept in over the years (such as the aforementioned "I am your father" moment between Snake and Big Boss; oft-referenced in MGS1, but never actually happened in-game). And of course, halfway through MGS V he and Konami had their infamous "F*ck you/F*ck you too" moment. So it'll never happen.

I'm halfway through MGS V on my "full series in story order" playthrough, and I gotta say... playing Metal Gear 1 after this one is gonna be a total mindf*ck. Going from the biggest game in the series to the smallest, the most advanced to the most primitive... yeah, that's gonna be weird.

[Andrew NDB]

Wasn't Kojima making some weird game with Norman Reedus that fell apart?

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wasn't Kojima making some weird game with Norman Reedus that fell apart?

Silent Hills, yeah. But they're working on Death Stranding now.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wasn't Kojima making some weird game with Norman Reedus that fell apart?

Kojima AND Guillermo del Toro, to boot.

Would've been amazing. Too bad.

[Powder]

It didn't fall apart... There are news articles about updates as active as 12 hours old.

"Death Stranding" is the title.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Kojima says.

For one thing, it directly continues the story out from Metal Gear 2. Although it retcons the ending to say that Big Boss told Snake he was his father, which doesn't actually happen onscreen in MG2.

Furthermore, MGS was internally known as "Metal Gear 3" very early in the development, but they figured people would be dissuaded from playing it if they'd never played MG 1 or 2. Also, the jump from 2D sprites to 3D polygons gave them the loose idea for the "Solid" name, in lieu of calling it "Part 3" of anything.

What about stuff like (the recent) Double Dragon 4? Surely there could be a Metal Gear 3 done in similarly retro fashion. Some side story.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What about stuff like (the recent) Double Dragon 4? Surely there could be a Metal Gear 3 done in similarly retro fashion. Some side story.

I doubt there'd be any interest. MG 1 & 2 are already the "black sheep" of the series when taken as a whole, and further, "nothing happened" in the time period between MG2 and MGS1. Any side story they come up with wouldn't be very satisfying, because all the story and characters would have to fit in between other games without actually contributing anything significant, on account of those things never being mentioned again in MGS 1, 2, or 4.

We've already seen a little bit of this with some of the prequel games, such as Phantom Pain. Lots of the events and even the main villain have been described by some players as being very unsatisfying because they ultimately added very little of consequence to the story. It "had" to be that way, since we've never heard of those characters or events ever again in the timeline, so their overall impact was lacking, on account of how they had to be "Qui-Gon Jinn'ed". Great game, but the story suffers from being squeezed in between other, "more important" events. Any game set between MG2 and MGS1 would have the exact same problem, leaving me to question what the point would be, aside from "Retro for Retro's Sake".

Fans don't want another 8-bit inspired, top-down Metal Gear; they wanted a 3D HD remake of MG1 & 2. Like, I don't talk to every fan, obviously, but MG fans are never quiet about what they want.

Metal Gear Survive is, allegedly, not good. So I don't want anyone else playing in Kojima's sandbox. Metal Gear is his thing; without him, they can technically do whatever since they own it but it's absolutely not "Metal Gear."

Originally Posted by Sumac

Some parts of it has been salvaged for the Phantom Pain, like resurrected Volgin, who has been planned for the original MGR.

I was not aware of that. This makes slightly more sense. Either way, huh, 'magine that.