Another movie from Platinum Dunes in the works - new writer hired

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

TMNT doesn't even need a "main villain." Ignore those morons.

Exactly. I say the first movie should be about TMNT vs. the Purple Dragons so you can establish a better relationship with the TMNT and care about them as further movies could explore more situations with bigger obstacles in the form of like Baxter Stockman's Fly, Shredder and Krang (done correctly) and even so many more.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Exactly. I say the first movie should be about TMNT vs. the Purple Dragons so you can establish a better relationship with the TMNT and care about them as further movies could explore more situations with bigger obstacles in the form of like Baxter Stockman's Fly, Shredder and Krang (done correctly) and even so many more.

I don't see the Purple Dragons being enough for a movie. Not unless Hun is leading them and the movie has a major focus on Casey Jones and Hun, I guess...

[IndigoErth]

Not to change the subject, but I kind of wish we'd hear at least some little tidbit of info soon. Even just some suggestion of casting being considered or esp in the area of design concepts being looked at (not that we'd actually see them), or writers pulling together what they hopefully feel is a solid and not at all half-assed story. Some hint of things that are underway for a film they've suggested starting to shoot as early as later this year... Because is it really enough time to do all the pre-production work...?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The only hope for TMNT is a creative director with a passion for TMNT.

We need a Peter Jackson, a Christopher Nolan, a Guillermo del Toro, a Taika Waititi, a Zack Snyder, SOMEBODY with a vision beyond just making toy sales. At this point, I'll take a bad vision over a bottom-dollar toy sales vision.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Not to change the subject, but I kind of wish we'd hear at least some little tidbit of info soon. Even just some suggestion of casting being considered or esp in the area of design concepts being looked at (not that we'd actually see them), or writers pulling together what they hopefully feel is a solid and not at all half-assed story. Some hint of things that are underway for a film they've suggested starting to shoot as early as later this year... Because is it really enough time to do all the pre-production work...?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing, if shooting is still scheduled for that time that is, is it unusually quiet at this point?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Whatswiththeheadbands?

Also, I'm sick of the general public thinking 'You have to have Shredder, he's the main TMNT Villain, and it wouldn't work without him'

Since the 80s show, that has kinda been the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Shredder is without question the most famous. Out of the Shadows gave us what the second, third, fourth and fifth well known villains all in one movie and that wasn't enough to get asses on seats. We're going to have to win the public over with a Shredder movie first and when you have their faith then take chances on deeper cuts.

There's also the unfortunate fact that many of the better known turtles rogues are conceptually poor final boss villains.

Like if you had a villainous version of Leatherhead as you're main antagonist what would his evil masterplan that the turtles would have to stop be?

What would a third act blowout in a movie that had the Rat King as the main villain? The turtles fighting rats? Even mutant rats wouldn't make me that enthusiastic.

Baxster Stockman and the Triceratons have some potential but I think the former would be better served as a secondary villain providing tech to whoever the main villain is and I think the Triceratons would be best done like their original story were the turtles are teleported away to fight in the Triceraton arena and they have to escape and get back to earth to stop whoever the real villain is.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

TMNT doesn't even need a "main villain." Ignore those morons.

A lot of times comic heroes tend to be defined by their villains. When you crack open say a Batman comic knowing it's a Joker story you know you're likely in a for a particular kind of story as opposed to be a Penguin one.

A common theme in Mirage TMNT is when they don't have a primary antagonist to fight or mission they seem lost. That's an interesting story in itself but I mostly prefer them to have some purpose.

Most Mirage villains tend to be random one-offs which are fine but there's something to be said recurring villains and of the ones that have lasted...well they aren't really villains. Karai, Leatherhead even Rat King are all quasi allies even the Mirage Triceratons apparently help little ill will for humiliating their leader and revered warriors.

That's why I didn't mind the possibility of some of the 4kids villains like Hun and Bishop migrating to Mirage. They conceptually fit in their world and villains you can build arcs around beyond a random person or thing to fight.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

A common theme in Mirage TMNT is when they don't have a primary antagonist to fight or mission they seem lost. That's an interesting story in itself but I mostly prefer them to have some purpose.

Most Mirage villains tend to be random one-offs which are fine but there's something to be said recurring villains and of the ones that have lasted...well they aren't really villains. Karai, Leatherhead even Rat King are all quasi allies even the Mirage Triceratons apparently help little ill will for humiliating their leader and revered warriors.

That's why I didn't mind the possibility of some of the 4kids villains like Hun and Bishop migrating to Mirage. They conceptually fit in their world and villains you can build arcs around beyond a random person or thing to fight.

Their "mission" and "purpose" should fluctuate with every new story arc.

Sadly, beginning with Vol 2. and going into Vol. 4 (not including Vol. 3) the very idea of "story arcs" were jettisoned. So I understand what you're saying... it just needn't be any singular villain, or even a villain at all.

[Leo656]

If we're making a movie, though... we need more of a "plot" besides, "Robbed of their singular purpose, our heroes drift aimlessly trying to find their place in a world that doesn't want them. And then they probably go their separate ways, live relatively-uneventful lives, and die."

Works fine on the printed page. But that would be one meandering, boring-ass movie. They need to Fight Someone. That "someone" needs to have Evil Intentions and The TMNT have to be the only ones both privy to it AND capable of stopping it, because that is how movies work. And if we actually want people to show up, it really needs to be someone that the general audience is both familiar with and has a strong opinion of.

That just leaves Shredder. It is what it is.

Galactus makes a lot of sense. The reason the movies have and will focus so much on having them fight Shredder is... they kind of have no choice if they want anyone except for the people on this forum to pay to see the goddamn thing.