Warner Brothers pushing all 2021 movies to HBO Max and Theaters Same day in 2021

[sdp]

Movie theaters have been struggling for decades now and the only way they can mask that is by inflating ticket prices more than double than inflation. It gave rise to over budget films to get people into cinemas spending millions in Advertisement which only made return of investment more difficult and has killed creativity in hollywood hence all the remakes and sequels since it's what they know will sell. This is also why there's less movie studios now.

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school. It's only been brought back recently as incels recently. Teens and adults now have apps like tinder, dating has changed in the age of hook up culture.

Think of it, paying money to watch tv on a bigger screen. Teens and adults are in front of screens all day, whether the phone or computers at work, when people go outside they want to go to the park, museums etc disconnect and be able to talk and socialize instead of being in a dark place that you can't talk for 2+ hours.

I watched like 3 movies a year, especially those that you wanted to go at midnight showings etc. It's an experience but not for every super hero movie that comes out every 3 months. Prices are expensive, it's really. 70/30 ratio of whether you'll get an audience that respects others or they will be talking, kids crying, or literally sending messages in the middle of the movie. Horrible experiences.

I'm sure Gen Xs and boomers have great memories of cinemas but society has evolved and people don't go to the circus either despite being a far more unique experience than cinemas.

[Leo656]

Psst. Theaters don't make money on tickets. Like 80% of that goes to the studio. Snack prices are where theaters make their money, which is why those prices are high. If you have a problem with the cost of movie tickets, go yell at Disney.

Meanwhile, you're always in multiple threads talking about how a push-button society where a bunch of fat shut-ins never leave the house is somehow "evolution". Sorry, that's loser talk. I call what I see.

You're one of those "I have the songs on my iPod, I don't need to see the band in concert" types, I can smell it. No world full of people like that is an "evolved" one.

Human beings "evolved" out of caves and being afraid of the sun and in turn developed social interaction and community. People like you would have us back in the caves. Well, most people of sound mind don't call that "progress", they call it Regression. Cheerlead for it all you want, not everybody's buying it.

[sdp]

I haven't used an ipod since 2007 when u good the first iphone, i don't think some had made new ipods in like ten years. Another relic of the past.

I used to have huge CD collection in my teens but still heard them as downloaded files instead for the better experience. It's the way to go over physical, i don't care for vinyl records.

Live music is a completely different experience, it's worse quality but you go for the live performance and feel the music. Not really a comparable to thing to recorded music.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school. It's only been brought back recently as incels recently. Teens and adults now have apps like tinder, dating has changed in the age of hook up culture.

That.... really hasn't changed anything. Tinder apps only help those that were already constantly getting laid get laid even more. The reason 'incel' became such a term is because there are still tons and tons of virgin 'losers' out there even in this day and age. Swipe Left and all that.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by sdp

I haven't used an ipod since 2007 when u good the first iphone, i don't think some had made new ipods in like ten years. Another relic of the past.

I used to have huge CD collection in my teens but still heard them as downloaded files instead for the better experience. It's the way to go over physical, i don't care for vinyl records.

Live music is a completely different experience, it's worse quality but you go for the live performance and feel the music. Not really a comparable to thing to recorded music.

Audio in a variety of it's formats has become a hobby of mine. I still have a crazy CD collection and I've got a modest vinyl collection. The vinyl collection is relatively small (basically it's a collection that fills a small, 4x4 Ikea Kallax) but it's all super quality stuff.

I'm a big fan of High-Res tracks - there's a great website I hit a lot called HD Tracks. But I love my physical media and I pimp the short lived DVD-Audio and Blu Ray audio as much as I can.

Stone Temple Pilots "Core" on DVD-Audio is amazing.
Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" on Blu Ray audio is a religious experience, lmao! Check them out if you can....

[Leo656]

I'd honestly buy more vinyl if I had anything to play it on. I've got boxes of old records but we honestly don't have room even for our stereo at the moment. And the stereo we have doesn't have a turntable. If I don't have room for what I have I'm not inclined to buy even more stuff I can't use.

More of a CD guy anyhow, just because they're easier to take care of (and at least I can listen to them in the car, even though that's not optimal sound either). It's rare I double-dip on anything but I picked up a few albums on CD that were remastered despite having the original CD releases, and holy sh*t, what a difference. Nirvana's "Nevermind" and Guns N Roses "Appetite For Destruction" are the two that jump out off the top of my head. They sound way, WAY better on the newer releases. I forget how many CDs I have but I think it's around 300. I don't buy as many as I used to; I already have most of what I want and there's just not as many good bands putting stuff out anymore.

What kills me is how some bands have been putting stuff out ONLY on vinyl lately. Like the last two Dead Sara records, or the Blink 182 "Dogs Eating Dogs" EP from a ways back. I mean the vinyl releases go for insane prices anyway, so I wouldn't be buying those, but it's annoying that they won't even put them out on CD. This is a case where I'm going to have to "cheat" and burn stuff when I'd really prefer not to do that. To make it worse, the burner on my laptop is broken. Bah.

Since I'm lazy and usually just listening while I'm reading or painting lately, I confess that I do mostly just listen to stuff on my phone with headphones, but it all absolutely sounds like sh*t that way. Really wish we had a spare corner for my stereo, but I'd have to move a bunch of sh*t around.

[CyberCubed]

How many people watch movies/shows on their phones now? I used to see people watching random netflix shows on the subway to work for years, so I assume it's a thing people regularly do.

Most people watch stuff while on the bus stop, or in the subway, or in the mall, or just outside. You don't really need to watch things on TV anymore either.

[Andrew NDB]

I understand there's a notable dip in quality between, say, MP3 and WAV quality audio. CDs have uncompressed WAV quality audio. Now, you can take an uncompressed WAV and convert it into an MP3 with very, very little compression to where even the most untrained ear won't hear any different... but most MP3s people are going to download or "want" are going to sit around 3 megs vs. what would be a 50 meg WAV on a CD.

What I don't necessarily buy is the "I can hear a significant difference between an audio track on CD and an audio track on my record player." And even if so, nowhere in the stratosphere of wanting or justifying a big collection of bulky records, 12 songs a piece laying around vs. a thumb drive or smart phone with 5,000 songs in MP3 that I can play in my computer with surround sound or play in my car via blu-tooth. For me.

Originally Posted by sdp

Calling people virgins in 2020 is as antiquated as the movie theater model, seriously haven't heard that term used like that since I was in high school.

When did that ever go out of style?

I'm sure Gen Xs and boomers have great memories of cinemas but society has evolved

Yeah, it's called February. As in this past one.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How many people watch movies/shows on their phones now? I used to see people watching random netflix shows on the subway to work for years, so I assume it's a thing people regularly do.

Most people watch stuff while on the bus stop, or in the subway, or in the mall, or just outside. You don't really need to watch things on TV anymore either.

I do not do this. I read on my phone a lot though.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What I don't necessarily buy is the "I can hear a significant difference between an audio track on CD and an audio track on my record player."

I like this convo, but I can't decide how deeply I want to go atm... lol
Ummmm..... Hm.

The short of it is this - people who state that vinyl sounds better than other formats are either lying for their on-boarding with a group, or they are citing a pressing that happens to sound better. If they were more informed, they wouldn't be making blanket statements like that.

For example, vinyl does not actually sound "better" than CD's or HD audio files.

However, vinyl has to be mastered with special care, and that is why there is such discrepancy between various pressings of various albums. So if you get a record that was cut correctly and mastered for vinyl by a great technician, then you may actually get a listening experience that is superior to other formats. But you won't inherently get a better experience in vinyl - anyone who says that is lying or more likely doesn't actually know any better.

On that note, I would argue that vinyl gives you a drier, more (I'm about to give a terrible and obvious descriptor here) more analog sound than most other formats. When you combine that with a superior mix (or mastering), then you'll have a superior listening experience to most other formats.

Also, vinyl is fun. It slows life down and creates a listening experience that goes back to the days of "listening to a whole album", or ingesting a composition as a whole.

I'm going to stop here because I've already typed more than I planned as a knee jerk response. But vinyl is worthy of discussion and collecting, but it is not necessarily "better".

[Leo656]

Yeah, I appreciate vinyl but the fact that it's so "delicate" and the very act of playing the record inevitably deteriorates it, to me means that it's not really a "superior" format. Pops and hisses are a matter of If, not When. I was a pretty big early-adopter of CDs for that very reason. Having spent much of my life listening to music with headphones - because I like my music Way Too Loud and almost always live with other people - I can say that of all the various music formats, to my ear CD recordings sound the best. When I listen to stuff that's streamed or converted to a digital download file or whatever, it sounds too compressed and "thin", if that makes any sense.

Heck, a lot of the wrestling companies I've worked for just rip songs for theme music off the internet now, whereas 10 years ago they all used CDs, and in that setting... ooof. I get why they'd rather not fumble with CDs and everything since they can just push a button, now. But it still sounds like absolute sh*t coming through the big speakers. With the CD version they'd always at least have a nice, thick sound. Doesn't sound the same at all when they just pull a digital track off the internet.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, it's called February. As in this past one.

There are times when your comedic timing is excellent, sir.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Also movies come out on blu-ray/streaming so fast these days, like only 3-4 months after a movie debuts in theater, that it's easy to wait. I remember back in the 90's and early 2000's it took like 6+ months later for a movie to come out on VHS and DVD so that's why people didn't want to wait so long to see it.

This and prices being equivalent to just buying a movie are the biggest reasons home is more preferable to some like myself.

Sure the other stuff is annoying but can be tolerated for the sake of the movie. Don’t buy food (I only get popcorn and drink), go during better times (seems we all do this)...but when you consider everything as a whole home release is worth the shorter wait.

I understand wanting the theater experience with certain movies. It’s why we all go at some point. Aside from a giant screen though I think most people have a decent enough setup. Even a standard big screen HDTV is still very nice.

[NinjaPug]

Nolan isn’t mincing words about this:

"Some of our industry’s biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed the night before thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/am...mpression=true

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Psst. Theaters don't make money on tickets. Like 80% of that goes to the studio. Snack prices are where theaters make their money, which is why those prices are high.

Exactly! Most of our guests always come to the Concession Stands and buy something. We even get people from other stores within our mall come in just to buy their favorite candy. I remember when a family of six came in and ordered over $200 of so much to eat that it took around 15 minutes to complete their order.

[Leo656]

I used to wonder why I'd get comped free tickets so easily for any old reason - movie started earlier than advertised and we missed the first five minutes, free tickets. Projector was a bit out of focus, free tickets. Then a buddy who worked for a theater smartened me up and explained that almost all the money from tickets goes directly back to the studios and that it's more or less Disney who sets the ticket prices, and so since theaters aren't making any money on that end anyways they'll just give away free tickets since they know most people will buy snacks when they come in.

But yeah, I'm old enough to remember when even snacks were a lot more reasonable, too. But once Disney started taking a much higher percentage of ticket sales after their big resurgence in the 90s, the theaters had to make the money back somewhere, it's not like they're working for free.

It's a bummer, but like most things wrong with the world, it's all The Mouse's fault. Disney really does ruin everything for everyone.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Exactly! Most of our guests always come to the Concession Stands and buy something. We even get people from other stores within our mall come in just to buy their favorite candy. I remember when a family of six came in and ordered over $200 of so much to eat that it took around 15 minutes to complete their order.

Those brew 'n views I mentioned always have free tickets and ways to let you into the movie on them. But before you leave you've ordered appetizers and full dinners and so on.

But I can't help but feel the value is so much greater there than through a 10 dollar box of... I dunno... ju-ju-bees or whatever.

[Leo656]

I mean, people shouldn't eat that sh*t anyway. If they wanna eat garbage so bad that they'll pay exorbitant prices for the "privilege" and then bitch about it - that's their own goddamn fault.

Our local theater was at the mall up the road, so we'd always make a night of it. Do some shopping, get dinner at the excellent little Chinese place there where they'd seriously overload your portions for $6 a plate, then go see a flick. Sometimes we'd be so full of rice, chicken and wontons we wouldn't even bother with popcorn. No big deal.

People don't do this sh*t right, is the thing. They complain about sh*t but the truth is they're livin' wrong.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, people shouldn't eat that sh*t anyway. If they wanna eat garbage so bad that they'll pay exorbitant prices for the "privilege" and then bitch about it - that's their own goddamn fault.

Our local theater was at the mall up the road, so we'd always make a night of it. Do some shopping, get dinner at the excellent little Chinese place there where they'd seriously overload your portions for $6 a plate, then go see a flick. Sometimes we'd be so full of rice, chicken and wontons we wouldn't even bother with popcorn. No big deal.

People don't do this sh*t right, is the thing. They complain about sh*t but the truth is they're livin' wrong.

Dude, one of the places I go to has an awesome salmon sandwhich. They call it "A Sandwhich Called Wanda" on the menu.

It is second only to the "Arnold Schwarzenburger".

[Leo656]

What the f*ck, does Bob Belcher run it?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

What the f*ck, does Bob Belcher run it?

The whole menu dude - appetizer? Nacho Libre...

[Leo656]

....Do they MAKE you "play along", or can you just say, "Yeah, I'll have some f*ckin' nachos, thanks"?

Because I don't think that I could ever give people like that my money in good conscience. I would definitely urinate on the floor of their restroom on purpose, just on general principle. I've done it before for less.