Predator 5

[Leo656]

Murder aliens who hunt people for sport.

...FOR THE KIDZ!!!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Let's not forget that Disney owns Predator since they own Fox. They could ask for a PG-13 version to appeal to a larger audience, You know to make more money from it.

They could do that if they want nobody to show up for it. Predator is about a hunting alien race that rips out spines and polishes skulls.

Somehow this is still coming out under the Fox banner. Which is interesting. Assumedly also how Disney can circumnavigate R-rated worries. Deadpool 3, which has been confirmed and re-confirmed as being R about 20 times now, may come out under the same banner.

[NinjaPug]

There was a rumor that this would be a Hulu exclusive movie. If that's the case there is zero reason for this not to be rated R.

Also those dumb comments were from a producer and not the director. Most producers are just attached financially and are nothing more than cheerleaders who have no input on the creative decisions (Avi Arad with Spider-Man and Jon Peters with Superman). To me, his comments came off like that.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I kind of feel for Black. I would've liked to have seen his original version of The Predator to judge before Fox made him reshoot the whole last third. He still hasn't done even 1 interview about it since.

There were much bigger problems than the last third though.
I'd say like a lot about this movie was problematic on a conceptual and general story levels.

[sdp]

predators are a kids property, I asked santa for the kenner toys, just like TMNT it might've had its start as a rated R property but it quickly became for kids as it's very action figure friendly. In fact there's new predator toys in the little kids aisles at walmart right now.
The concept is a bit silly for a normal adult now.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by sdp

just like TMNT it might've had its start as a rated R property but it quickly became for kids as it's very action figure friendly.

I don't know that I'd consider any of the early Mirage comics "R-rated." Interestingly, the PG-13 category was introduced in July of 1984, with the first Turtles comics having hit the stands a few months earlier. Eastman & Laird strategically self-censor most of the gore-violence by putting it slightly out of panel. And the language isn't heavy with particularly colorful profanities or obscenities. Some of the "ladies of the night" wear provocative clothing but I don't remember any explicit nudity in any E&L books (maybe the exception being a Bode guest issue). It definitely ain't Robocop.

[IMJ]

Shane Black churned out Iron Man 3 and The Predator. Doesn't matter how much I love Lethal Weapon - he's dead to me.

[Sumac]

Hands off of Iron Man 3!

[Andrew NDB]

Every non big budget studio movie he's made has been awesome. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, The Nice Guys... brilliant. I think he's too scared to come off as "difficult to work with" when handed huge budget movies (IM3, The Predator) that he just basically does whatever the studio/producers ask with no resistance. And we end up with by-committee reedited things.

[AquaParade]

The premise sounds cool at least. I think they have the right idea. Go smaller, not bigger.

Terminator needs to do the same, if it wants to stick around.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Terminator needs to do the same, if it wants to stick around.

Sheesh... I don't know. Terminator is pretty radioactive as a property right now after not one, not two but THREE failed trilogy starters. And all the time travel mess leftover.

Predator has had basically two failed starters. "Predators" was clearly supposed to lead to if not a trilogy, at least some kind of continuation. Rodriguez said so. "The Predator," a trilogy for sure. But even with both of these, I wouldn't say the franchise was "damaged" as a result. You can just ignore them or move past them just fine. Terminator? The only possible way forward would be to void like half of the movie series or more... and it's just going to be messy.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sheesh... I don't know. Terminator is pretty radioactive as a property right now after not one, not two but THREE failed trilogy starters. And all the time travel mess leftover.

Predator has had basically two failed starters. "Predators" was clearly supposed to lead to if not a trilogy, at least some kind of continuation. Rodriguez said so. "The Predator," a trilogy for sure. But even with both of these, I wouldn't say the franchise was "damaged" as a result. You can just ignore them or move past them just fine. Terminator? The only possible way forward would be to void like half of the movie series or more... and it's just going to be messy.

Yeah, it's like, they sell those Terminator box sets on Blu-ray, and it's like, "Please just ignore that more than half of these movies completely contradict the others."

I mean it's a good way for someone who just wants to own all the movies to get them in one clean shot for cheap, but what lunatic would actually sit and watch them in order as if they actually tell a cohesive story? Your brain would literally start leaking out of your ears before too long.

Also? I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, but I think the world would keep spinning just fine if we never got another Terminator movie.

[Allio]

The problem with predator films is that they will never be able to capture the same “magic” that was the first film. When it comes to horror movie franchises once you open Pandora’s box, it will never not be opened. How many timelines does Texas Chainsaw massacre have?

The only films that have worked are Friday the 13th and Child’s play (and that’s because the franchise accepted that it’s schlocky films and have fun with it) and the Alien sequel with Aliens (and that’s because it goes from horror to action, so I don’t think that counts.

Terminator itself? At least it had potential with it’s story. Which honestly does the whole alien/aliens where it goes from horror to action. But it’s problem lies that no one seems to know how to do it.

Honestly from a “lore” perspective I’ve been enjoying Dark Horse comics on the matter, but those clearly aren’t the type of stories they want for the films.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Allio

How many timelines does Texas Chainsaw massacre have?

I wanted to give you a real answer, so I tried looking it up, but apparently it's impossible to reconcile anything cleanly with anything else, aside from the very first two movies (which 3D sort of fits with if you squint). Every single other movie contradicts the other movies so much that every one is like a reboot to itself.

I found a pretty okay article about it.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3...acre-timeline/

Also, not a big Texas Chainsaw guy. Not sure why. Thought the original was overrated. "Next Generation" was the worst movie I'd ever seen, for a long time. Those are the two I've seen the most and neither of them impressed me.

[Andrew NDB]

The Texas Chainsaw series are completely radioactive. It's even worse than the Halloween movies. It's like... there's 1 and 2 and 3 that kind of work together... then 4 is just nuts. After that I guess they keep trying to do sequels to the first movie that ignore or negate the other movies, even now. And then there's the 2 movie remake/reboot with Jessica Biel. I enjoyed those 2.

[Allio]

Going back I did enjoy the remake better than I did before. I know when I was kid, for whatever reason, I always got the remake and house of 1000 corpses confused as one film.

It’s definitely one of THOSE franchises the only one worse than that is probably the Godzilla films and that has like 8 timelines

[Leo656]

"House of 1000 Corpses" definitely is more or less just a Texas Chainsaw remake. That's part of why after hearing about it for years, during the time nobody would release it to theaters and everything and it was this Big Controversial Movie that was "too hot for Hollywood", when I finally saw it I was like... "That's the big deal? It's just Texas Chainsaw if someone tried to edit it like a music video."

I expected more from a "visionary" like Rob Zombie. I hadn't noticed yet that most of his musical output is remixes of his own material, more than any original works. So it stands to reason that his movies would in turn be remixes of someone else's material, as well.

I guess back then I just assumed the guy had more imagination than that. But yeah, I don't really like that movie.

[Allio]

Personally preferred the sequel, Devil’s rejects, over the first film

[Leo656]

Oh, definitely. Much, much better movie. Not even close.

[Andrew NDB]

I saw House of 1000 Corpses but never saw Devil's Rejects. House of 1000 Corpses was... OK, not great. It certainly didn't get me excited for more.