Afghanistan back under Taliban rule

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

At least not anytime soon. Maybe in 1000 years the amount who have put such beliefs away will be a bit more substantial...if humanity doesn't off itself over it beforehand.

Well atheists have terrible birthrates so I doubt it.

[IndigoErth]

Lack of belief isn't passed through genetics, so that doesn't even matter.


I've never gotten the impression really that any non-theists (atheists or otherwise) want to take over the world and make everyone like us. I'm sure there are some out there, but they are probably a small minority. More-so a lot of us probably just wish for theists, esp certain factions of some religions, to chill the hell out.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Lack of belief isn't passed through genetics, so that doesn't even matter.

Not through genetics, but through family teaching. I've noticed you say "it doesn't even matter" for a lot of things too, just an observation of mine.

[IndigoErth]

Sure, family teaching, but you think that sticks forever? Not to stress out theists or anything... Probably all non-theists come from families who used to follow a religion at one time, whether they are the first to quit it or not.

I'm not the first. Why did mine walk away from it? Dunno. Mom's side was Presbyterian, at least via my Grandmother's line out of Scotland. My grandparents never once spoke of religion, deities, or the like. No crosses or other religious tokens displayed anywhere. They were originally from Kansas, and family from other parts of the Midwest before them. The bible belt of all places. How or why they gave up religion is unknown. I think family were probably going through the motions of it for a while, keeping up on what was socially expected, until just giving it up.

Dad's side is a split between those who believe none of it and those who believe all of it. Not quite sure how that happened. We avoid that topic.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Sure, family teaching, but you think that sticks forever?

Good question.

Obviously depends on a multitude of factors, with one having influenced your family towards non-belief being the fact that at its very core, the United States is fundamentally atheistic with "Congress shall pass no law respecting the establishment of religion". The society you come from does not respect religion as an establishment, so religion's influence on American society has declined considerably with time, with many things being legal today that were unthinkable in the past.

The United States isn't just going to keep its ideology of "freedom from state religion" to itself though, it always tries to spread it to other countries. Hence, the mass bombing campaigns of the Middle East, invasions, economic sanctions of countries that do not agree with its ideology etc.

But the United States will ultimately fail in its quest to wipe out state religions, Islam specifically. No amount of air raids and invasions were able to wipe out the Taliban in 20 years, and they are only a tiny portion of the Muslim world.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

But the United States will ultimately fail in its quest to wipe out state religions, Islam specifically. No amount of air raids and invasions were able to wipe out the Taliban in 20 years, and they are only a tiny portion of the Muslim world.

They failed because of very tangible reason, which has nothing to do with religion: support of Taliban by the Pakistan, who wants to use Afghanistan as a base for flexing their power around the Central Asia and former Soviet republics.

If you seriously believe that Pakistan or any other theocratic state motivated by religion and their leaders seriously observe their own rules - you are incredibly naïve.

Originally Posted by Galactus

As opposed to having a stooge in Trump.

Proves, links, my dear?
Or you still have only hearsay ordered by DemocRATic party based on tales of ex-Russian officer?

And just to remind you, Trump didn't hesitate to gave order to kill Russian PMC in Syria. Neither he hesitated to implement harsher sanctions against Russia. I agree, that he could and should have done much more, but it seems, despite all his posturing about American Supremacy he was not a complete war hawk, which is sad, since West could use more people like that now.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Sumac

They failed because of very tangible reason, which has nothing to do with religion: support of Taliban by the Pakistan, who wants to use Afghanistan as a base for flexing their power around the Central Asia and former Soviet republics.

I'm not discounting material aid, but religion does play a role. It has provided the Taliban with morale, so everytime the West bombs them and kills hundreds of their fighters, they become even more determined and fanatical.

Compare this to the Afghan "government" army. More ground troops than the Taliban, more advanced weaponry and an airforce, yet they capitulated so easily.

Originally Posted by Sumac

If you seriously believe that Pakistan or any other theocratic state motivated by religion and their leaders seriously observe their own rules - you are incredibly naïve.

They don't observe their own rules well enough, and many of these leaders are political opportunists who don't really have any true loyalty to Islam.

Originally Posted by Sumac

And not atheists multiply like rabbits, which negatively impacts quality of life in those countries, turning them into terrorist sh*tholes. Or just sh*tholes.

People from these same countries are now taking over Europe lol. No military invasion needed, they will simply be welcomed with open arms because the Europeans can't rely on their own people to sustain themselves.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by 1987

well they know Trump kills terrorists, took down ISIS, killed ISIS leader solemeini, so yeah they probably would of thought twice about taking over Afghanistan if Trump was still President. biden on the other hand armed them, our woke antitrump military sissified the Afghan military and they were easily taken over by taliban. terrorists were afraid of Trump, they laugh at biden, the whole world is laughing now.

biden is a laughingstock

I call on Joe Biden to resign in disgrace!

It's perfectly fine to not like Joe Biden. He was far from many peoples perfect choice on the left so it's not like a huge dunk to point out he isn't perfect. This kind of living in bizarro world were the fat sack of custard that was Trump was respected on the global stage though is ridiculous. The level of disillusion among Trump supporters is so extreme they've even turned on institutions that they used to doggedly support. They disagreed with him on many things and didn't launch a coup to keep him in power so the US military is now 'woke'. Police Officers that were caught up in the capital riots and testifying that it was MAGAs are now traitors, blue lives no longer matter I guess.

I highly doubt any terrorist organisation feared Trump, it was in 2018 that he greatly strengthened the Taliban by negotiating the release of 5000 of the Taliban prisoners from Pakistan including their leader. Trump was their greatest gift in a long time. Trump's motivation for doing so was to delay any kind of invasion of Afghanistan. Best case scenario is that it put it off until his second term were it wouldn't harm his re-election chances and worst case scenario it shifts the problem to whoever succeeded him as president which is what ended up happening. That doesn't sound like someone tough on terrorism.

And just like every other president turned a blind eye to Saudi Arabia being the country most guilty of being a terrorist breeding ground. His bigoted Muslim ban was supposed to be justified as an attempt to curb radical Islamic terrorism but he wouldn't ban the worst offenders.

Originally Posted by Sumac

And if you think why Putin acts so bold with his tyranny, well, the same reason: Biden is nobody to him.

As opposed to having a stooge in Trump.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Well atheists have terrible birthrates so I doubt it.

And not atheists multiply like rabbits, which negatively impacts quality of life in those countries, turning them into terrorist shitholes. Or just shitholes.