Is "Jason Voorhees" REALLY Jason Voorhees?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Nah, the original writer hated that scene and everything it implied. That was all Tom Savini wanting to get crazy with special effects and latex, and the studio insisting that "these movies always have to end with One More Jump Scare". The guy who wrote the movie never even knew about that scene until he saw the movie for himself, and he was rather upset by it.

As memorable as it is, I agree. Also, the shot of Crystal Lake reflecting the forest in fall colors and Alice in the rowboat really is one of the most beautiful shots in cinema, IMO. Maybe that's why they just couldn't resist shattering the moment...

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

As memorable as it is, I agree. Also, the shot of Crystal Lake reflecting the forest in fall colors and Alice in the rowboat really is one of the most beautiful shots in cinema, IMO. Maybe that's why they just couldn't resist shattering the moment...

Also, as the article points out, if Alice in Part I and Rennie in "Jason Takes Manhattan" BOTH encountered "drowned little boy Jason" in the lake - Alice in 1979 and Rennie in the early-1990s, since "...Takes Manhattan" has a present-day of 2004, depending on who you talk to... anyways, they BOTH saw "Drowned Jason" in the lake, many years apart from each other. Rennie saw "drowned Jason" in the lake several years AFTER "Jason" as an adult started running around wearing the mask and wielding the machete. And yet, in the lake, he was a little boy either time, both to Alice and Rennie. So if he's a little boy in the lake, how is he ALSO a grown man in a hockey mask at the same time?

Ergo, what they encountered in either of their cases was the GHOST of Jason Voorhees, the little boy who drowned in the lake. Which in turn means that Jason Voorhees DIED, and in turn cannot simultaneously be the grown-ass man (men?) running around wearing masks and hacking campers to pieces.

This series is pretty batsh*t crazy when you think about it for more than two seconds. No thought into it at all. AT ALL. Kinda sad.

[IndigoErth]

Makes sense to me if multiple people were to just pick up that name and use it. Just a bunch of copycat killers.

If it was all the same guy, then I have the same question I was JUST asking myself yesterday about Michael Myers (with that new movie coming out): how old would he even be now?

If Jason's first film was in 1980, then come on, he'd be at least, what, 60s now? Surely it can't be the same guy forever!

edit: Oh, I guess he had an actual birth date of June 13, 1946? Yeah, if they made a new movie now, no 75-year-old man is going to pull that off or look like that. lol He'd be going after people and having to stop frequently to catch his breath. Senior Michael is helped by already moving at an old guy's pace anyhow with just short busts of increased energy.

[Leo656]

Well, keep in mind that "whoever" was the Hockey Mask Killer, be it Jason Voorhees or some random hillbilly psycho, that guy was hacked to death by Tommy Jarvis at some point in the mid-80s, as presented in "Friday the 13th Part IV: The Final Chapter". So that guy definitively died.

BUT, then he - or SOMEONE... as the article I posted points out, there's some chance that the body in the grave marked "Jason Voorhees" that Tommy digs up in Part VI might be someone else entirely; "Voorhees" is a very common name, especially in NJ, and there is a "Jason Voorhees" seemingly buried in almost every cemetery you walk into around here... but anyway - whoever was in that grave got reanimated after being hit by lightning. In turn, the "Jason" that's been around since Part VI is literally a zombie, so I'm pretty sure he's immune to the aging process.

...Although, as we've seen whenever later films unmasked him, NOT the decomposition process. Gross!

I've only seen the Rob Zombie Halloween movies, and the original one like once, a long time ago, so I can't speak much to that whole thing.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, keep in mind that "whoever" was the Hockey Mask Killer, be it Jason Voorhees or some random hillbilly psycho, that guy was hacked to death by Tommy Jarvis at some point in the mid-80s, as presented in "Friday the 13th Part IV: The Final Chapter". So that guy definitively died.

BUT, then he - or SOMEONE... as the article I posted points out, there's some chance that the body in the grave marked "Jason Voorhees" that Tommy digs up in Part VI might be someone else entirely; "Voorhees" is a very common name, especially in NJ, and there is a "Jason Voorhees" seemingly buried in almost every cemetery you walk into around here... but anyway - whoever was in that grave got reanimated after being hit by lightning. In turn, the "Jason" that's been around since Part VI is literally a zombie, so I'm pretty sure he's immune to the aging process.

...Although, as we've seen whenever later films unmasked him, NOT the decomposition process. Gross!

I've only seen the Rob Zombie Halloween movies, and the original one like once, a long time ago, so I can't speak much to that whole thing.

You know, I kinda prefer the notion that Tommy becomes the next Jason after the events of parts 4 and 5. It seemed that's the way the series was clearly meant to go if sequels continued, yet all of that groundwork was completely retconned away in part 6.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

You know, I kinda prefer the notion that Tommy becomes the next Jason after the events of parts 4 and 5. It seemed that's the way the series was clearly meant to go if sequels continued, yet all of that groundwork was completely retconned away in part 6.

As much as that would've made sense... nobody really wanted to see that.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

As much as that would've made sense... nobody really wanted to see that.

I'd say "the series really started to go downhill with Part 5," but... how much of a peak did it ever really have, aside from perhaps the original?