New CGI movie

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Is that officially confirmed? I haven't seen anywhere that says that.

Yeah, where are these 'alleged' rumours? What's the source?

And don't link to Wegoitcovered, BoundingIntoComics, or GiantFreakingRobot.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

The TMNT fandom never ceases to amaze me.

I'll constantly see fan art and concept on social media, that everyone seems to go gaga over. "Awesome", "amazing", "love to see this in a new series or movie"...Yet I look at the same concept and think to myself "if Michael Bay posted that he would be ripped to shreds".

This new concept art comes along, looks to me like they have stripped it back down to the basics of what someone might draw a "basic" ninja Turtle like - what everyone on here has apparently been shouting for. They've taken away the individuality of Rise, the huge accessory count of the Bay Turtles. The only small accessory additions are glasses, durag, wraps. Possibly braces. I mean c'mon that's hardly anything. You want them to be clones?

The other comment about them looking skinny/lean - seriously? Bay Turts were criticize for being beefcakes. These new designs are on a par with 2012 - they were pretty lean, just had Popeye wrists and ankles.

I'm not defending this new take (although I have no real problems with it). I'm just putting it out there that I don't know if it is possible to please the TMNT fandom!! Whatever they put out, they can't win, unless it fits squarely into something that was approved before i.e. 1990 movie designs. I say they just gotta do what they gotta do. Or else it will be death by democracy.

I mean sure if you want to just settle for everything they give you. Fans are passionate about what they love. They may not always get what they want but if they don't like something, you can't hold that against them. As for the "clone" question, well they are turtles...the same species, nonetheless. You can tell them apart through the masks and weapons.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

To which Don would say, "Sure, Leo! I totally have been looking for a place and time to put into practice all this orthodontics I've been learning about for years and using all these orthodontic gear I've been gathering up for absolutely no reason!"?

Because that's retarded.

Because it's stupid and it's accessorizing and yes, WHAT ARE THE ODDS? The one Turtle that's the geeky one, BAM, he's the one who ends up with myopia. It'd be like, if one of the Turtles was a pirate, that's the Turtle that accidentally loses his leg and gets a peg leg.

Umm yeah, I mean he lives in a sewer, it's not like he's pressed for time. He's invented crazier things than braces.

Like I said in the part of my post you didn't quote, it's not an idea I'm fond of, but it could make sense in a lighthearted TMNT world, like this will clearly be. There's a possibility that it's not 100% confirmation that they are human.

Honestly, I've been over the common TMNT personality tropes for longer than most people probably have. Even when it's not a visual aspect of the character, I get tired of seeing Mikey always be the funny one who is reading a comic book, Raph always be the angry one who is spending his time on a punching bag, etc.
I appreciate a consistency to the characters and they do need to be carved out as individuals, but I liked how in Mirage and even the first TMNT movie, you could sense there were different shades of personality within all of them. They all goofed around, they all got angry sometimes, etc.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Fans are passionate about what they love.

Fans aren't passionate, they're just angry 24/7 that other generations are required to have a childhood that doesn't necessarily 100% resemble their own.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Fans aren't passionate, they're just angry 24/7 that other generations are required to have a childhood that doesn't necessarily 100% resemble their own.

You may want to give me some context cause I have no idea what you're saying.

[AquaParade]

Both of those things can be true. It's okay to be passionate and critique, but not everything is going to be aimed at you.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

The TMNT fandom never ceases to amaze me.

I'll constantly see fan art and concept on social media, that everyone seems to go gaga over. "Awesome", "amazing", "love to see this in a new series or movie"...Yet I look at the same concept and think to myself "if Michael Bay posted that he would be ripped to shreds".

I call certified ******** on this one, mate.

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

This new concept art comes along, looks to me like they have stripped it back down to the basics of what someone might draw a "basic" ninja Turtle like - what everyone on here has apparently been shouting for. They've taken away the individuality of Rise, the huge accessory count of the Bay Turtles. The only small accessory additions are glasses, durag, wraps. Possibly braces. I mean c'mon that's hardly anything. You want them to be clones?

They were clones for most incarnations and no-one had issues, until modern day authors, decided to give them overly exaggerated individuality.
And surprise!! This is where the issues have started.

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

The other comment about them looking skinny/lean - seriously? Bay Turts were criticize for being beefcakes. These new designs are on a par with 2012 - they were pretty lean, just had Popeye wrists and ankles.

Seriously. They look like mummies.
Also, 2k12 Turtles didn't look emaciated - they were pretty beefy for their small stature + stylization.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Fans aren't passionate, they're just angry 24/7 that other generations are required to have a childhood that doesn't necessarily 100% resemble their own.

Now, now, no need for projection.

[Andrew NDB]

Wait, is it that time again? I've been waiting.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wait, is it that time again? I've been waiting.

You know what's funny? I was just reminiscing the times where you were the weed whacker going after plants, yearning for those days to come back. They heard my wish.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

not saying these dont exist - but some of us stick around, and just dont care to comment until something new comes around.

*edit: And oh, he deleted the post!

[neatoman]

Ok, I think I can finally go into detail about how I feel about the concept art. I don't like it.

The lack of defined muscle on the turtles just seems wrong to me. I'm assuming idea of this being more action than comedy is just completely thrown out the window here, because the designs remind me more of the Rugrats art direction than any previous animated incarnation of the turtles. Pretending the general direction of these designs are good, which I don't think they are, I like that they don't go overboard with trying to make them look different and trying to make them look different in more subtle ways is the right idea if you want to do that... But I don't understand why Donnie needs to have a tooth sticking out or Leo the point of Leo's braces? Is there going to be a lot of close up shots of their mouths open?

While I doubt the pizza cutting scenario here is meant to be an actual scene, more just to get the vibe of the movie across, I'm not sure what to make of it. I seriously can't tell if it's meant to be the present with some futuristic elements or the future with some lingering elements of the present. It's very jumbled and I would have preferred it if the artwork had depicted something that would actually have been a particular scene. If it is meant to be an actual scene, then this movie is just going to be a jumbled mess with no rhyme or reason.

As for the individual elements depicted here, I've already talked a bit about Wingnut but only because someone else brought him up. To clarify, it means nothing to me, the character is and has always been an uninteresting nothing-burger meant to fill out a toyline. In many ways it just feels like he's thrown in there so there is technically something recognisable in this but I doubt that many people actually care about Wingnut in the first place for him to even be recognisable. If he ends up in the final movie, I'm willing to bet it's like Rhino in TASM2, he'll be there but practically irrelevant. As for his design, I honestly assumed he was a generic gargoyle until it was pointed out that the yellow smudge was Screwloose, that's how unrecognisable he is.

Similar to Wingnut, we also get the Technodrome just sitting there. Now unlike Wingnut, I do assume the Technodrome will play a major role in the movie, which just makes me cringe a bit. The Technodrome sucks and we all know it, you can use it like one story and trying it again will just look embarrassing, because it can literally never be allowed to destroy the world. It should just be left in the Fred Wolf show where it belongs and be forgotten (and honestly, the Fred Wolf show might have been slightly stronger without it). As for the design, I can't believe they somehow ended up making something that looks even uglier than the Fred Wolf design, it looks like a total piece of junk, even if that is a perfect description of this thing in general.

Then there is the statue of what I assume is Shredder. It is standing on top of a water tower, which is really weird. That is part of the reason I suspect this isn't meant to represent any particular scene and is just a bunch of things that may or may not be in the movie. If it is meant to convey some actual plot point, this statue could be placed in a more logical place and I'm guessing that in this movie, Shredder has conquered New York? Doesn't really matter, none of this implies anything about the plot really. Assuming that is indeed the Shredder and it is indeed his final design, I do not like it. It basically looks like it took the worst design elements of the 2012 Shredder and the Cyber Shredder (two of the worst Shredder designs) smashed them together and gave him horns for some reason. He basically looks less like the Shredder and more like Emperor Zurg from the Toy Story movies, and that character design was meant to make fun of ugly looking action figures.

I also see the Turtle Blimp, which... Ugh... Look, at least the Technodrome makes some sense even if it's a lot more lame than a most fans like to admit. But the Blimp, Van and most Turtle vehicles don't really have a place in this franchise. Let it go.

There is also the thing with a tail shooting a laser gun. Maybe that is Newtralizer, so at least there is some things here not just lifted from the Fred Wolf era, even I don't think taking the 2012's random ideas is much better. Not sure what to say about the design.

Then there's the whale which I assume is original. I don't have any memory of that from anything else, so at least there is something I can call original about this. If I'm wrong and this thing is from something, by all means, point that out to me. Assuming this is indeed something that ends up in the final movie, it's probably a major plot point because it's kind of hard to ignore.

Final thoughts here... No, very little of this looks right to me. It feels like whoever made this watched the Fred Wolf cartoon and assumed nothing about TMNT came out before or after it. It is essentially what I assume Andrew's nightmares look like. To me it's just cringe though, albeit a very disappointing type of cringe. I mean seriously, don't just emulate the Fred Wolf cartoon and make the character design ugly. If you can't try to adapt the Mirage comics, at least pick a wider range of things to draw inspiration from and failing that, just make up something new (preferably something that ain't hideous).

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

https://iili.io/19lXtf.jpg

*edit: And oh, he deleted the post!

I deleted the post because I realized I ran to defend myself (knowing I do not actively posting on these boards), when you may not have been talking about me in the first place.

In either case, I only really comment when new movie news comes around, cause I like seeing how other longtime fans feel about it, which as I am writing this really does solidify the plant theory. LOL.

nothing I can write will convince you otherwise, but I just get hyped when new movie news comes out.

see you when the trailer comes out. lol.

for my two cents: i hope this is early conceptual art, and shared with the intention of sharing the overall tone, and aesthetic (as in teen, coming of age type thing) I hope they go with more muscle for the final design.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

The TMNT fandom never ceases to amaze me.

I'll constantly see fan art and concept on social media, that everyone seems to go gaga over. "Awesome", "amazing", "love to see this in a new series or movie"...Yet I look at the same concept and think to myself "if Michael Bay posted that he would be ripped to shreds".

This new concept art comes along, looks to me like they have stripped it back down to the basics of what someone might draw a "basic" ninja Turtle like - what everyone on here has apparently been shouting for. They've taken away the individuality of Rise, the huge accessory count of the Bay Turtles. The only small accessory additions are glasses, durag, wraps. Possibly braces. I mean c'mon that's hardly anything. You want them to be clones?

The other comment about them looking skinny/lean - seriously? Bay Turts were criticize for being beefcakes. These new designs are on a par with 2012 - they were pretty lean, just had Popeye wrists and ankles.

I'm not defending this new take (although I have no real problems with it). I'm just putting it out there that I don't know if it is possible to please the TMNT fandom!! Whatever they put out, they can't win, unless it fits squarely into something that was approved before i.e. 1990 movie designs. I say they just gotta do what they gotta do. Or else it will be death by democracy.

I'm fine with the concept art considering its not a representation of what the final product is going to look like, Its rather a pitch for an animated movie, Having been a fan of the 87 version, I always have this vision on what TMNT is supposed to look like and portrayed, and to me the 87 show was the gold standard, When something veers off, I let it slide and realize it its own thing and another variation of TMNT.

When the 2012 series came out, I was supporting it through in through despite some of my grievances, Such as how they created new characters and just slap the name of the old characters over them, So some of the characters aren't what I always picture them to be when they aren't one to one, But despite all that I never complained about the appearance of a character since I was just happy they even brought them to the show.

Now with the new CGI movie, I'm hoping that Seth Rogen who claims to be a fan of the original pays homage to it, and judging from the leaked concept art, They seem to go in that direction, and I'm all for it.

The CGI movie is its own thing and they also announced a series of TMNT movies focused on the villains, I would love for them to look at the IDW comics on how some of the villains had there own mini series comic telling there origin, And using those as a template to tell origin stories for these characters. There is potential for a TMNT cinematic universe by introducing us to these villains, and then eventually a live action TMNT movie as a result of that.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I'm fine with the concept art considering its not a representation of what the final product is going to look like, Its rather a pitch for an animated movie

No, they're not. Why would they be making a pitch for a movie deal they already have?

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No, they're not. Why would they be making a pitch for a movie deal they already have?

Concept art are just that, concept for what things might look like, They could change the designs by tweaking them.

[CyberCubed]

If the Turtles are human teens before being mutated I'll probably drop dead right on the spot.

I was mentally traumatized by the human noses/nostrils the Turtles had in the Michael Bay films in 2014...it's nearly a decade later and I have yet to fully recover. Now the Turtles being humans would probably send me to the hospital for a mental breakdown.

[AquaParade]

Even if the turtles were humans, I think I'd honestly be more annoyed at the tone and the way it's handled than the concept itself.

I love me some classic turtles. Mirage is my go-to.
But I could get behind a TMNT story that had the turtles as humans first, if it captured the elements about the franchise that I love - the danger, the family drama, the themes of revenge, the high-stakes action, the morally ambiguous characters - all the elements that are constantly neutered.

But were they to execute that concept in this movie, then I'd probably feel completely alienated from the thing, because I know it's not going to have those other elements that make up the core of the brand.

[TigerClaw]

I seriously doubt they are gonna do the Turtles being humans at first, Seth Rogen claims to be a fan, I'm sure he's gonna pay homage to the original.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I seriously doubt they are gonna do the Turtles being humans at first, Seth Rogen claims to be a fan, I'm sure he's gonna pay homage to the original.

Didn't Kevin Smith claim to be a fan of He-Man and then admitted he actually hate-watched it? Don't just trust what Hollywood people say, they're under NDA agreements and will say a lot of things to avoid backlash (unless it's deemed profitable to cause backlash, seems to have become weirdly common...).

Rogen is also not the only person working on this, he's not even listed as director or writer. Even if it's his intention to "pay homage to the original", the other guys don't necessarily care. Even if Rogen wants them to start out as pet turtles, that's no guarantee that will be the case.

And... Well... The concept art looks pretty much like the Fred Wolf cartoon with a crappy art style. By definition, if you pay homage to the Fred Wolf cartoon you're not really paying homage to the original, are you? Because Mirage is the original, no amount of arguing or nostalgia is going to change that. If you want to pay homage to the original, that means no Technodrome, Blimp, Wingnut or Pizza Obsession.

[TigerClaw]

This appears to be another concept art and a different look at the turtles.
https://twitter.com/Danthemainman97/...83745531314178