Music Hatred - Page 3

~~Leo656~~ · 11-16-2003, 01:12 AM

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Yeah, sure, Chris Vrenna, Danny Lohner, Robin Finck, and anybody else you see in the videos/concerts with Trent are credited as "Nine Inch Nails live", but in the studio it's just Trent.

And further proving that it is, indeed, a Small World After All, both Chris Vrenna and Robin Finck have been linked to the new Guns N Roses over the past few years, with Robin staying on as one of the two lead guitar players (and Buckethead being the other one). I forget what Chris did but I don't think he's with GNR anymore.

Oh and KMFDM is pretty cool.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 11-16-2003, 01:47 PM

NTN:

You have always had nothing but the utmost respect from me, because unlike a vast majority of members here, you are actually deserving of respect from ANYBODY, not just myself. I have always admired your sense of humor displayed in both your avatars and general posts. You are an elite among us, ranked in intellect in the same area that people such as GK, Leo, Matt, all of the mods, and even myself are in. You deserve nothing less than to be considered one of everyone's favorite posters. Hell, despite my bitter hatred towards general rap, I have not let that stand in the way of how well you and I get along (as I've said more than once in previous posts). To be honest, my own pesonal opinion in that genre should be trivial if not completely irrelevent to how much we like each other on here. The last thing anyone needs is an "online enemy", especially if the people live so far away that it would cost 5000 dollars for just one minute of a phone call. Never have I thought you a bad person, nor have I wished any ill fate upon you, because, quite frankly, even if I didn't have any respect for you, explicitly trying to make an enemy out of you is rather stupid and pointless. I cheered you on every post you made.

That is, until I just now saw your most recent post in this thread. I at least tried to keep my rap bashing to a minimum after those first few battles we had because I realized there's no point is openly bashing something that makes people money, allows them to use the gift of free speech, and lets them realize that they're not alone in the world. Something you might also have failed to notice was a post I made not too long ago after I had started college this year about how my roommates listen to a lot of rap/hip-hop/R&B (though most if not all of it is the "commercial" type you describe) and that after a few listens I figured, "Hey, maybe I was wrong all this time...maybe I could ENJOY hanging out with these people once in a while!", just don't expect me to browse the rap section the next time I'm at Sam Goody or wherever; my devotion will always be towards industrial and rock in general and NIN and Marilyn Manson in particular...nothing will ever change that, not even growing older.

Another thing I'm certain you overlooked was that the only rapper I put in my list in this thread was Eminem...THAT'S IT! You didn't see me put "99.9999999999% of rap" in it, did you? Nope, you didn't, that's because, as I just stated, my opinion on it is really starting to change, and I NEVER said it wasn't an art form, I just said I didn't consider it "music" at the time (that perception is starting to change too). You should've seen me last night: my roommates had a lot of their friends over, and you have no idea how much I was joining in on the festivities of their little party they had; while I still need tons of lessons in dancing to that kind of stuff, I no less had a blast, and so did everyone else (they were probably laughing AT me rather than with me, but hey, it actually takes a lot more to bring me down than you might think). In any case, while I still won't listen to the genre on my own time, I have a newfound respect for it, both popular and underground.

But what do YOU do? You not only seem to not get the message that my opinion about you hasn't changed a single SMIDGEN ever since I found out your true taste in music, but then you cross the line and defecate on one of the few true forms of music left in this world that probably predates rap by about 10-15 years. You insult not only the artists themselves with that comment, you also insult the devoted fans (not just the brainless ones, but the ones who really know how music sounds, like Leo656) who can see the power they have and the messages they convey...writing GOOD rock music isn't for dummies, my friend.

Since you say 99.99999999% of rock sucks, you're putting down a vast majority of ALL rock artists/groups with a lot of fame (and in many cases well-deserved fame at that) such as:

The Beatles
The Doors
The Rolling Stones
Metallica (at least they're stuff up to about 1991)
Slayer
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Ozzy Osbourne/Black Sabbath
KISS
AC/DC
Nirvana
White Zombie/Rob Zombie
Alice In Chains
Judas Priest
Nazareth (and its "splinter group", Manny Charlton Band)
Jethro Tull (not often do you hear rock music with a FLUTE)
Marilyn Manson
Rage Against the Machine
System of a Down
Guns 'N Roses
Styx
TONS of others...

Apparently you are unaware of the amount of time and work used by many (not all) of the above groups/artists to get their music finsished. Unlike many music stars today, they don't/didn't have someone write the music and lyrics for them; they EARNED their way to the lists, actually have talent, and don't play what an agent tells them to...they play what THEY want, it's THEIR music for criminy's sake!

But NOOOOOOOO, you don't seem to appreciate their hard work to creating music with an impact and a real message to it...you basically sh*t on their creative genius they have worked so hard to use. What kind of thinking is that? If we didn't have rock, chances are we wouldn't be living in the society we're in today.

Congratulations, kid, you just made me throw whatever respect I had for you in the past out the window...from the top floor...of the Empire State Building.

*Anarky* · 11-16-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by barkworm

Who says that Landser aren't Nazis? I can see that the Onkelz are no Nazis (or better no more) but Landser? Definitely nazi scum!

well there are these rightish people who want to tell you that landser is nothing but a missunderstood metal band. that's why i mentionned it.

*R-iZZy* · 11-16-2003, 02:38 PM

Rez... I'm not saying it sucks... that's just the kind of music I don't listen to. And trust me, I've found that online war is a little pointless, and you've made it perfectly clear why it is in your last post. Plus, we're all Ninja Turtle fans here, so there's a common ground between us. All I'm saying is my money or time has never been put forth towards rock, and I guess it isn't "hatred" that I have for Rock, it's more or less "tolerance". I'm not saying that The Beatles sucked, AC/DC sucked, or even Aerosmith sucked; I'm practically saying that they weren't really of my preference. After all, this is what the thread is about: a matter of preference and opinion.

I'm not going to continue with the BS arguments, because it's not in my character. *rethinks* Well, defending my case kind of is... but not making enemies with fellow citizens of humanity (or any other animal......... except for roaches). I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post, and I will surely edit it, so as to not cause any more confrontations. Because believe it or not, I came to really enjoy your witty humor and sarcasm very much, even when they were aimed at me. If it means letting down any pride, I'll wave the white flag and call treuce or whatever. But I can't bare us always on different sides of the field every time we meet. I'd rather be at equal grounds with you.

So you can keep that respect down on the ground some floors from above, or do whatever you can. Regardless, my views still stand that Rock hasn't had much of an impact on me, and trust me... neither has mainstream rap artists. That's why I try to promote the ones that mean something and really contribute to what it stood for back in the days. Again, you can still hate me, lose all respect for me, or whatever... I'm just not going to contribute to anymore of this pointless bickering over a matter of preference.

MTN889 · 11-16-2003, 02:46 PM

I hate:

ALL present rap (there is no talent invlolved)
Techno
Death metal.

Im a rock boy.

*Voltron* · 11-16-2003, 02:49 PM

My hate for music anymore is endless.

impetus · 11-16-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

My hate for music anymore is endless.

ROFL! so true! but surely you like the music of Michiru Yamane...

*Dane E5R* · 11-17-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MTN889

I hate:

ALL present rap (there is no talent invlolved)
Techno
Death metal.

Im a rock boy.

No talent involved..?

If there was no talent involved, everyone would be doing it, and it wouldn't be making any money.. Augh.

*The Defibrillator* · 11-17-2003, 01:31 AM

Yes, indeed rap does take talent.....it's just that I don't appreciate any talent of that kind....

*That Matt Guy* · 11-17-2003, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by anarky

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Originally Posted by barkworm

Who says that Landser aren't Nazis? I can see that the Onkelz are no Nazis (or better no more) but Landser? Definitely nazi scum!

well there are these rightish people who want to tell you that landser is nothing but a missunderstood metal band. that's why i mentionned it.

Misunderstood? Look at the covers of their CDs! How could anyone think they weren't Nazis?

*R-iZZy* · 11-17-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Savanti Romero

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I'm more into underground artists or maybe lyrically-blessed rappers (i.e. Nas, Jay-Z, Royce Da 5'9'', Canibus, Eminem [regardless of the mass teenie-bopper fanbase he has, he's got skills], and so forth...)

NAS is bad! Eminem's pretty good too.

Wow... you have good rap-artist taste, and even like Savanti Romero!!! I think I'm going to like you...

11-16-2003, 02:38 PM	#44
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	Rez... I'm not saying it sucks... that's just the kind of music I don't listen to. And trust me, I've found that online war is a little pointless, and you've made it perfectly clear why it is in your last post. Plus, we're all Ninja Turtle fans here, so there's a common ground between us. All I'm saying is my money or time has never been put forth towards rock, and I guess it isn't "hatred" that I have for Rock, it's more or less "tolerance". I'm not saying that The Beatles sucked, AC/DC sucked, or even Aerosmith sucked; I'm practically saying that they weren't really of my preference. After all, this is what the thread is about: a matter of preference and opinion. I'm not going to continue with the BS arguments, because it's not in my character. rethinks Well, defending my case kind of is... but not making enemies with fellow citizens of humanity (or any other animal......... except for roaches). I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post, and I will surely edit it, so as to not cause any more confrontations. Because believe it or not, I came to really enjoy your witty humor and sarcasm very much, even when they were aimed at me. If it means letting down any pride, I'll wave the white flag and call treuce or whatever. But I can't bare us always on different sides of the field every time we meet. I'd rather be at equal grounds with you. So you can keep that respect down on the ground some floors from above, or do whatever you can. Regardless, my views still stand that Rock hasn't had much of an impact on me, and trust me... neither has mainstream rap artists. That's why I try to promote the ones that mean something and really contribute to what it stood for back in the days. Again, you can still hate me, lose all respect for me, or whatever... I'm just not going to contribute to anymore of this pointless bickering over a matter of preference. __________________

11-17-2003, 01:31 AM	#49
The Defibrillator Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dee Eff Dubble You Posts: 1,631	Yes, indeed rap does take talent.....it's just that I don't appreciate any talent of that kind.... __________________ My newest signature.

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11-16-2003, 01:47 PM	#42
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	NTN: You have always had nothing but the utmost respect from me, because unlike a vast majority of members here, you are actually deserving of respect from ANYBODY, not just myself. I have always admired your sense of humor displayed in both your avatars and general posts. You are an elite among us, ranked in intellect in the same area that people such as GK, Leo, Matt, all of the mods, and even myself are in. You deserve nothing less than to be considered one of everyone's favorite posters. Hell, despite my bitter hatred towards general rap, I have not let that stand in the way of how well you and I get along (as I've said more than once in previous posts). To be honest, my own pesonal opinion in that genre should be trivial if not completely irrelevent to how much we like each other on here. The last thing anyone needs is an "online enemy", especially if the people live so far away that it would cost 5000 dollars for just one minute of a phone call. Never have I thought you a bad person, nor have I wished any ill fate upon you, because, quite frankly, even if I didn't have any respect for you, explicitly trying to make an enemy out of you is rather stupid and pointless. I cheered you on every post you made. That is, until I just now saw your most recent post in this thread. I at least tried to keep my rap bashing to a minimum after those first few battles we had because I realized there's no point is openly bashing something that makes people money, allows them to use the gift of free speech, and lets them realize that they're not alone in the world. Something you might also have failed to notice was a post I made not too long ago after I had started college this year about how my roommates listen to a lot of rap/hip-hop/R&B (though most if not all of it is the "commercial" type you describe) and that after a few listens I figured, "Hey, maybe I was wrong all this time...maybe I could ENJOY hanging out with these people once in a while!", just don't expect me to browse the rap section the next time I'm at Sam Goody or wherever; my devotion will always be towards industrial and rock in general and NIN and Marilyn Manson in particular...nothing will ever change that, not even growing older. Another thing I'm certain you overlooked was that the only rapper I put in my list in this thread was Eminem...THAT'S IT! You didn't see me put "99.9999999999% of rap" in it, did you? Nope, you didn't, that's because, as I just stated, my opinion on it is really starting to change, and I NEVER said it wasn't an art form, I just said I didn't consider it "music" at the time (that perception is starting to change too). You should've seen me last night: my roommates had a lot of their friends over, and you have no idea how much I was joining in on the festivities of their little party they had; while I still need tons of lessons in dancing to that kind of stuff, I no less had a blast, and so did everyone else (they were probably laughing AT me rather than with me, but hey, it actually takes a lot more to bring me down than you might think). In any case, while I still won't listen to the genre on my own time, I have a newfound respect for it, both popular and underground. But what do YOU do? You not only seem to not get the message that my opinion about you hasn't changed a single SMIDGEN ever since I found out your true taste in music, but then you cross the line and defecate on one of the few true forms of music left in this world that probably predates rap by about 10-15 years. You insult not only the artists themselves with that comment, you also insult the devoted fans (not just the brainless ones, but the ones who really know how music sounds, like Leo656) who can see the power they have and the messages they convey...writing GOOD rock music isn't for dummies, my friend. Since you say 99.99999999% of rock sucks, you're putting down a vast majority of ALL rock artists/groups with a lot of fame (and in many cases well-deserved fame at that) such as: The Beatles The Doors The Rolling Stones Metallica (at least they're stuff up to about 1991) Slayer Tool Jimi Hendrix Ozzy Osbourne/Black Sabbath KISS AC/DC Nirvana White Zombie/Rob Zombie Alice In Chains Judas Priest Nazareth (and its "splinter group", Manny Charlton Band) Jethro Tull (not often do you hear rock music with a FLUTE) Marilyn Manson Rage Against the Machine System of a Down Guns 'N Roses Styx TONS of others... Apparently you are unaware of the amount of time and work used by many (not all) of the above groups/artists to get their music finsished. Unlike many music stars today, they don't/didn't have someone write the music and lyrics for them; they EARNED their way to the lists, actually have talent, and don't play what an agent tells them to...they play what THEY want, it's THEIR music for criminy's sake! But NOOOOOOOO, you don't seem to appreciate their hard work to creating music with an impact and a real message to it...you basically sh*t on their creative genius they have worked so hard to use. What kind of thinking is that? If we didn't have rock, chances are we wouldn't be living in the society we're in today. Congratulations, kid, you just made me throw whatever respect I had for you in the past out the window...from the top floor...of the Empire State Building.

11-16-2003, 02:46 PM	#45
MTN889 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I would tell you, but i fear an attack of AOL Trial CDs. Posts: 665	I hate: ALL present rap (there is no talent invlolved) Techno Death metal. Im a rock boy.

11-16-2003, 02:49 PM	#46
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	My hate for music anymore is endless.