What REAL Proof do they actually have on Trump?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Which shows how incredibly bad your judgment is.

For one thing, those "blue-haired crybaby freaks" STATISTICALLY are NOT gonna molest or rape your kid, BUT the bible-thumpers would. You're okay with that? Again, it just shows that you haven't fully thought things through. Think Outside Your Box. Consider how people who aren't YOU have to try and manage in this world. Consider who the REAL "Greater Evil" is. People calling for a f*cking Christian Autocracy vs. a few guys in dresses? The guys in dresses aren't talking out loud about banning f*cking birth control and same-sex marriage and forcing Jews and Mulsims to convert to Christianity if they want to stay in this country. People like Broebert and Greene are.

I get it, you hate women and gay people, you don't even pretend anymore. Just proves my point about how conservatives are no longer concerned one bit about saying the quiet part out loud.

You're on the wrong side and your values are poor. I like you a lot, you are an incredibly bright and talented person but as a big picture guy, you're not seeing it. You sincerely think a guy in a dress is a bigger threat than a politician who wants to create a world where God forbid your daughter gets raped she has to have the baby or even die giving birth to it. YOU SHOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH THAT.

Bottom line, people who actually believe in fairy tales and take advice from imaginary friends should NEVER have ANY positions of power, and if you sincerely think they are "the lesser of two evils", you're simply wrong.

More and more, I sincerely wonder if you have any empathy or concern whatsoever for anyone who isn't looking back at your from the mirror. Based on your history I'm forced to assume No. I'd love to be wrong, but I can only work with what you give me. I'll continue to hope you and others find enlightenment before you find out the hard way who the real Bad Guys are.

Out of respect for my value of you as a friend I'm going to ignore parts of that and not retort with some of the many things I could say in response to your own worldview/troubles.

All I will say is, "You're wrong on all fronts, but I always appreciate your perspective and I can understand why you would come to feel that way." And also, again, you're not a parent and have no stakes. Not a jab, just a fact. And on a side note you'd probably be like the most awesome dad on the planet. Maybe that's going on Earth 2.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't like "wokeness" but I like book banning, religious zealots who want to enforce a Christian Taliban, racists, and homophobes even less.

The left wants to and has banned books like "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Huckleberry Finn" from children's schools. The right wants to ban, like, instructional books about how to cruise for sex, and how to hide it from mom and dad from children's schools. I'm happy to provide facts on this if you'd care to humor them.

These things are not the same. If you think they are, I don't know what to tell you.

[Leo656]

I'm wrong that nobody molests more kids than the clergy? Kinda don't think so.

Sorry man. I respect the hell out of you in spite of occasional shortsightedness but I ain't wrong on that one. You and others are worried about kids being "groomed" by "teachers and pink-hairs", when you ought'a be MUCH more afraid of the people carrying Bibles. For two reasons:

1. Conservatives always talk about "If it only happens One in a Million times, don't even bring it up, it's a non-issue." Well, LIVE that, don't just SAY that. Nobody's kids are being molested or "groomed" by "teachers and pink hairs". For one thing, almost every instance of a student being "groomed" by a teacher happens in high school, AND it's usually a hot female teacher doing the "grooming". We've had those conversations, we both know that's less "predatory" and a lot more "Wow, what a lucky kid, where were these teachers when I had Algebra?" It ALMOST never happens with Actual Children. FAR less often than a raped woman needing an abortion. So again, "If it 'never' happens, don't even mention it." Conservatives' words. Live 'em, don't just speak 'em.

2. In the rare case a kid is "groomed" by a teacher or likewise, at least the offending adult gets arrested and goes to jail. When someone in the CHURCH f*cks a kid, they just get sent somewhere else to f*ck more kids elsewhere, they never get punished. Sh*t even happened in the town I grew up in - not to me, I was smart enough to stop going to church WAY before anything like that could happen to me.

But if you're going to say I'm "wrong on all fronts", that's an emotional reaction, not one based on facts. Facts support my position that peoples' kids are way LESS safer with a priest than a "pink hair". "Pink hairs" have existed for less than 20 years; the Bible was literally written by people who f*cked their own kids and then wrote glowingly about it in said book.

Never, EVER trust people who are older than 5 and still have imaginary friends, my dude. They are very f*cking dangerous, and they've had a lifetime of practice justifying bad behavior by saying "GOD says it's okay!"

I appreciate you refraining from taking cheap shots at my lousy marriage, but mostly because... what does that have to do with the conversation, specifically? All I am saying is, if I were a parent, I'd worry less about the people who might "teach my kid that gay people exist", and more about the people who 1. Might actually rape them, and 2. Would rather see them die than get their rapists' baby removed.

If I had a kid, especially a daughter, I would literally want her to have as many rights, on all fronts, as humanly possible. I would not stand beside people who would say to her face "Your suffering is All Your Fault." I think that's just plain shortsighted, and also cruel.

I believe your intentions are always good. I do. I don't think you're a bad person. I think you're paranoid about certain things to a point where it's perhaps led you to develop some blind spots. And that the things you are worried about are small fries next to things you should care a lot MORE about. That's all I'm saying.

- On Earth-2, hopefully Dad Me knows better than to punch holes in the sheet rock and throw bottles at people when they're angry. Earth-1 Rikki still has a real f*cking problem with that. Therefore, I appreciate the support, but it wasn't meant to be in This reality.

Instead I'll just settle for being Uncle to a niece who was indoctrinated by a religious cult and so brainwashed even her own Mom thinks she's nuts.

- I've seen "the facts" about what books are allegedly being pulled, it's still small potatoes. Here's Why:

1. Y'all mu'fukkas think kids read books anymore. Newp! They only know those books even exist because of the hysteria. If you guys weren't screeching, they'd be sitting on those shelves untouched as they'd been before.

2. Stuff like Maus and Diary of Anne Frank are also being pulled, for daring to illustrate the horrors of the Holocaust. As if kids shouldn't know that sh*t happened. Yes They Should. My school did a whole month on the Holocaust and the reality is FAR worse than most people grow up knowing about. If people are trying to censor that information, they need to be corrected. In any case, "It's only the books about sex being pulled" is provably false. Conservatives are acting to remove ANY information they disagree with.

I'm aware of how the left has used this same tactic in the past. As mentioned, I Am Focused On Right Now, not 15-20-40 years ago. RIGHT NOW it's the Republicans pushing censorship as a strategy, and I am always against whichever side is promoting censorship. You are right they've both done it. And I've yelled at either side for doing it EVERY time and always will. Today, it's those on The Right pushing it hardest, so I'm more mad at them. Does that make sense?

3. Kids know about sex already, they know gay people exist, and Who Cares? This is nothing new. There were two kinds of kids when I was young: Those whose parents left "The Joy of Sex" laying around so their kids would poke through it on their own - so their shy-ass parents would never need to have "the talk" with them, since no parent EVER wants to have that talk and when they do they just say "Wait until marriage" - and the other kids, the ones who graduated high school thinking a woman can't get pregnant if you f*ck her standing up.

4. Do parents not know that their kids have seen more porn on their cell phones by age 10 than they will ever see in those books they're trying to get pulled? C'mon. That's like putting a barrier on the sidewalk while ignoring that you're standing next to a wide-open highway.

Once more, I am simply asking for people to truly look at the Bigger Picture with regard to these things. It is very clear to me that a lot of people don't really think on these things past their initial emotional reaction to see what actually matters and what is just a distraction. The Trees are not the Forest.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The irony of nobody wanted to vote for McCain back then because 'omg so old' and yet Biden is older but he is their hero. I don't think Harris is any better than Pailin.

Right? I have pointed that out to several people many times. Again, both sides are totally disingenuous at times. The Dems swore McCain was far too old to be President and then they elect someone even older and scream at anyone who points it out.

Harris, I think, can at least read. Jury's still out on Palin. I know which one I'd rather bang but that's kind of irrelevant.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Right? I have pointed that out to several people many times. Again, both sides are totally disingenuous at times. The Dems swore McCain was far too old to be President and then they elect someone even older and scream at anyone who points it out.

Trump was 70 when he won, and Hilary was 69. Times change, but yeah, it was an odd one then, especially in light of Biden now winning.

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them. And kids are at far more danger from Republican government candidates even than trans people

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[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.

See, at least you get that. If people wanna "live their best life", fine, I have questions but whatever. But to say "It's totally fair for a person born with a penis to compete in sports against those who never had one" is false, it is BLATANTLY false, and as I've said before it's Sh*t Like THAT that's going to cost the Democrats any support from the moderate swing voters. They see Lia Thomas go to being ranked 5th as a woman in the 200-yard freestyle, after being ranked 554th on the Men's team in the same event, and they do their own mental math. And the more the liberals screech "This is TOTALLY FAIR you guys!", it pushes common sense people further and further to the Right. Because they look at that sh*t and say, "No, you're f*cking crazy to think that's acceptable."

That's why I'm just as pissed off at Democrats. They cut their own throat by hitching themselves to some really questionable sh*t over the last few years as if it would never come back to bite them. Well, it will and it has. When they lose it's their own fault. They pushed WAY too hard for men competing in women's sports, Drag Queen Story Hour, transgender bathrooms and made-up stuff like "We'll all be dead in 10 years from climate change", and ignored the millions of people who outspokenly said "I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT."

They made their bed. I am very angry at the sh*t the Republicans are pushing for but it's only a natural reaction to the nonsense the Democrats were pushing before that. Life is a pendulum that swings both ways; one side pushes hard, the other pushes back, it's physics.

[CyberCubed]

Remember that if you go decades into the past, interracial couples and marriage was outlawed or looked down upon similar to gay marriage now. Back then a white man and black woman getting married was viewed as "wrong" because it wasn't right. I bet if some people here were born decades ago they'd claim blacks and whites should not get married either because it's "wrong."

Things change. Gay people getting married will obviously be the norm decades from now in most countries that aren't the middle east. Black people on TV was considered "woke" and women could not vote in the early 1900's.

It's like some people here never took history class in school. Social norms change every decade, what's happening now is no different than what our parents and grandparents went through and how they were brought up in the world.

[1987]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Remember that if you go decades into the past, interracial couples and marriage was outlawed or looked down upon similar to gay marriage now. Back then a white man and black woman getting married was viewed as "wrong" because it wasn't right. I bet if some people here were born decades ago they'd claim blacks and whites should not get married either because it's "wrong."

Things change. Gay people getting married will obviously be the norm decades from now in most countries that aren't the middle east. Black people on TV was considered "woke" and women could not vote in the early 1900's.

It's like some people here never took history class in school. Social norms change every decade, what's happening now is no different than what our parents and grandparents went through and how they were brought up in the world.

I haven’t seen the newer TMNT shows but is bigotry still allowed on there like it was in the 1987 cartoon? I know they made April black now I’m guessing they have to keep up with the woke agenda and there’s probably some lgbtqia+ content now.

Remember in the 1987 cartoon Burne Thompson being extremely bigoted towards the turtles just for the simple fact they were mutants, nothing more. A powerful white man being a bigot to such a marginalized group such as mutant turtles, that simply would not be acceptable today. Looking back now Burne Thompson kinda resembles the bigoted, racist, rich white man that the media portrays Trump as. Even had the hot supermodel GF.

I know Vernon was bigoted but he was also rumored to be gay. That just goes to show that even back then the writers knew that gay people can also be bigoted.

I think in general there’s a lot of bigotry in the TMNT franchise, or at least there was but it’s probably different now with the new stuff.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.

How desperate you are to protect grifting pedophiles to say obvious lies.
Also, I guess, Right of Women do not exist in your world. Its all right of men who pretend to be women now.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

And kids are at far more danger from Republican government candidates even than trans people

Yeah, sure Republicans gonna start another BLM or laud crazy pedophiles who want to feed kids hormones, no biggie...oh wait, it is what Democrats were doing.

[Leo656]

This was his reply to me, please read it again:

Originally Posted by Mayhem

But I pretty much agree with everything you've said above. Pro trans people, but anti trans people competing in certain events for the obvious sporting advantage it has given them.

He literally said that while he supports trans people's rights to exist he does NOT approve of them competing in women's sports. He conceded that they do indeed have a biological advantage. You and Mayhem actually agree on that one specific point of the issue.

Please read a little slower before posting replies as it will help prevent misunderstandings such as that.

[Jester]

Incoming long post done via speech to text so apologies if it's formatted poorly.

There are quite a few Christians who are also a little bit leery of the rampant rise in Christian nationalism in this country. Is the antithesis of several Christian denominations belief system especially Baptists of which I am one. Whenever somebody says that America is a Christian Nation I want to cringe because it isn't. America may be a nation founded on Christian principles, but it was never and should never be a Christian theocracy. What I do find hilarious is so many Christians who vote Republican, a party that wants people to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and leave any charity to churches are also the ones that want America to be a Christian Nation. If America was a Christian Nation, wouldn't it be obligated to take care of "the Widow and the orphan"? Seems like a lot of them want to have their cake and eat it too.

Any person who claims dealing with an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage is abortion is stretching and if they really believe that as a Republican or a conservative whichever you want to call them they need to be drummed out of the party and probably polite Society. Those cases the fetus is already dead and it becomes a medical procedure not a true abortion. If there are any people on the conservative side of things that claim that cleaning up after a miscarriage is an abortion they are deluded.

I'm so sick of the US versus them mentality. All it does is dehumanize whoever is on the opposite side of you politically. The Dems are subhuman groomers. The Republicans are fascists. This is why I have started voting third party since 2016 when I couldn't pull the lever for Trump no matter how much the other Republicans wanted me to. We need a strong third party in this country to try and maybe develop a coalition government where somebody has to compromise. One party getting all they want and then getting voted out and the other part of getting what they want is just making the Divide worse. I love how many people on the Republican side are calling Liz Cheney a RINO. Freaking Liz Cheney the daughter of Dick Cheney. She's a RINO because she doesn't follow trumpism. Has her politics changed? No she just doesn't like Trump or at the very least can see that he can be detrimental to not just the country but the Republican Party.