James Gunn DC Slate

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Jester

I wasted my time/life watching this so I thought I'd torture you with it as well:

Ugh, MovieBob. I can't believe I used to watch this guy's videos on the regular... What did he say this time?

[Autbot_Benz]

[AquaParade]

That’s a pretty great list. Some people will complain because it’s not members of the JL, but that’s weird. In the upcoming slate, We’re getting Batman (2x), Superman, Robin, Green Lantern, and more, so I really will never agree with the people implying this is a slate of “d-listers”, when it’s literally just not.

Hell, some of those lesser known characters like Authority or Swamp Thing may be unknowns to general audiences, but people who read comics would never refer to them as such, given their highly influential runs. Alan Moore’s ST is one of the most revered superhero comics of all time, no exaggeration.

Batman, Superman, Robin, and GL are some of the biggest names in DC comics. Especially when you consider they already have a current Aquaman and possibly Wonder Woman atm. It’s really just plain inaccurate to call this a “d-list” slate but to each their own.

But as for this list of somewhat lesser known, but still awesome characters. I’d be happy with most of them. In particular, I’d love to see The Court of Owls, Freeze, Deathstroke, Constantine, and of course, Dick Grayson as Batman.
Those are the five I’d pick, but I’m pretty sure Lobo is going to take one of those spots.

Just the possibility of Dick as Bat now has me more anxious to hear about Brave and the Bold than Batman part 2. I just love those comics too much.

[ProphetofGanja]

Personally I'm hoping for some Zatanna and some other Justice League Dark members

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

Personally I'm hoping for some Zatanna and some other Justice League Dark members

you and me both

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Alan Moore’s ST is one of the most revered superhero comics of all time, no exaggeration.

And I'm sure he'd be delighted to see them adapt more of his stuff.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And I'm sure he'd be delighted to see them adapt more of his stuff.

Not at all, but the point remains lol.

That said, I doubt he really cares much if Swamp Thing is adapted. He won't watch it, but his real issue is with stuff like Watchmen, where every time it's adapted or used, it's another measure that keeps Alan from ever getting the rights to the story, as was in his contract.

So if anyone wonders why Alan Moore is so grumpy over Watchmen in particular, that's why. Doing anything with Watchmen is basically a "fuk you" to Alan Moore. Granted, it's usually a "fuk you, I love you, and they're gonna do this with or without me - please forgive me."

I mean, I'm pretty sure all DC has to do to keep the rights away is keep the book in print, but still.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Not at all, but it was still weird to call it D-list.

D- list may be a bit harsh. I'd say it's about a C+ list, if I was to be generous.

He won't watch it, but his real issue is with stuff like Watchmen, where every time it's adapted or used, it's another measure that keeps Alan from ever getting the rights to the story, as was in his contract.

So if anyone wonders why Alan Moore is so grumpy over Watchmen in particular, that's why.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...tor-alan-moore

I also like his quote about the horrible Watchmen TV show:

"When I saw the television industry awards that the Watchmen television show had apparently won, I thought, ‘Oh, god, perhaps a large part of the public, this is what they think Watchmen was?,’” he added. “They think that it was a dark, gritty, dystopian superhero franchise that was something to do with white supremacism. Did they not understand Watchmen?"

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

D- list may be a bit harsh. I'd say it's about a C+ list, if I was to be generous.



https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...tor-alan-moore

I also like his quote about the horrible Watchmen TV show:

"When I saw the television industry awards that the Watchmen television show had apparently won, I thought, ‘Oh, god, perhaps a large part of the public, this is what they think Watchmen was?,’” he added. “They think that it was a dark, gritty, dystopian superhero franchise that was something to do with white supremacism. Did they not understand Watchmen?"

Can't blame him. I'd be pissed too. That said, I watched it. And I'd like to see someone else adapt Watchmen again. Not a quasi-sequel, but another take on the graphic novel. One that matches the tone of the comic more than Snyder's film, but is maybe a little less rigid in it's devotion to the source material when it comes to general plot. I don't need to see every panel on-screen again, as neat as that was.




I can understand why someone would refer to Swamp Thing as "C-list". That's pretty much how people referred to Iron Man before he went big. I mean, Swamp Thing has had a Wes Craven film so he's probably more recognized than Iron Man was at the time but it's debatable.

As someone who has read a ton of comics, I find it objectionable, because Swamp Thing is near-unanimously touted as one of the greatest comic runs of all time....but if someone isn't clued into that or simply ignores it, I guess it wouldn't come into play.

It also depends on how you weigh these sorts of things. To me, a comic character who has one of the greatest runs in comics...simply isn't a "C+ list comic character."
But if you are just measuring by general audience public perception, I can understand that. Show Swamp Thing to your neighbor and they may not know who he is. If that's your scale, I agree.

I still can't vouch for Gunn's slate being anything near a "D" or "C" list though, because it literally has the two most popular superheroes ever on it, among others.

[IMJ]

If they are going the Alan Moore route I would be all-in for Mongul on the big screen, adapt one of the best Superman stories ever told in "For The Man Who Has Everything".

I love that book -



All of Moore's Superman stuff ran with deeper thought across his storytelling.

AquaParade is playing the "expert" DC nerd, but he's never even read "Swamp Thing". If he has seen any of the pages, I've never seen him drop any hobby wisdom that even indicates he did more than maybe thumb through an Omnibus. He used to make a routine @$$ out of himself arguing with Leo about DC comics too.... :LOL: He needs a "win". The AquaParade nerd-win over a crappy, sub-par DC film slate. He's leaving all of us no choice but to think that his whole social-acceptance hinges on his DC movie argument.

For example, I've never made any contention about Iron Man being a sub-A-list character before his movie showed up. Arguably a C/B-lister, but at least Iron Man had real comic runs. Whereas Aqua's phony Swamp Thing fandom is over a character who never even ran 300+ issues. Actually Swamp Thing could only run 24 issues during comics Bronze heyday Even Swamp Thing volume 2 couldn't hit it's 175 issue anniversary! It doesn't affect me personally though - not the way it affects Aqua. AquaParade's entire social-being seems to hinge on his phony-DC credibilty. Swamp Thing is categorically a C- and arguably a D-Lister.

Aqua once read Alan Moore as a guest-writer on Spawn. Now he claims he knows prestigious comics. For everyone else, this slate could definitely be considered lower grade. AquaParade is a simple thinker though - he says that it's a great slate because it has the "two most popular superheroes ever". So did Black Adam and Suicide Squad part 1. AquaParade dove "all-in" super early, but right now and upon announcement it looked like these are actually vehicles for other content - much the same way the first Suicide Squad put Affleck's Batman and the Joker in the trailers but it wasn't their movie. It's the same as pimping Cavil in Black Adam.

But Aqua is such a simp for his "DC wisdom" that he's dug-in on the word play draw for his "win". "Batman the Brave and the Bold". As if that is actually a full-on Batman flick rather than a draw for DC simps - just like the 1st Squad flick. But we will always have AquaParades word play and of course his DC Comics expertise - not across the whole hobby, not in any verifiable publication anywhere, mind you. Not anywhere credible in the hobby. But definitely here on the Technodrome forums. It's like he announced here that he was a "big DC fan", but has no reading and done nothing that we can verify for the hobby, but now he has to prove his "fandom" at all costs.

But for everyone else here, yeah I'm with you 100%. I'd love to see more DC Alan Moore on-film. Because so far I'm not excited at all about these DC film announcements. I'd like to be though - I've been reading DC, including Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, going back about 35 years now. I think, going back to the announcement day that the properties they chose were mistakes for grabbing audiences and for Universe building. Hopefully AquaParade gets lucky and his Brave and the Bold movie turns out to be his "Batman flick" as opposed to just more "Batman shows up in the Suicide Squad".

[Andrew NDB]

Plus I'm pretty sure there's going to be a concerted effort not to show Batman in any truly solo movie, at least until Reeves is done with his boring trilogy. Out of respect to Reeves/professional courtesy.

Yeah, there's no real way to argue that Swamp Thing is not at least a C level character. He'd fairly niche. I remember when he popped up one time in the Kyle Rayner days of Green Lantern vol. 3, that was the first time I'd ever actually seen him in any DC comic, ever. I think that remains my only appearance of him I have or have ever read, and I have a pretty complete collection of GL comics, JLA and its spinoffs, and all, up through about 4 years ago. He's certainly a respected character, in his little corner. Way over there. No, keep going. Yeah, over there.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

AquaParade is playing the "expert" DC nerd, but he's never even read "Swamp Thing". If he has seen any of the pages, I've never seen him drop any hobby wisdom that even indicates he did more than maybe thumb through an Omnibus. He used to make a routine @$$ out of himself arguing with Leo about DC comics too.... :LOL: He needs a "win". The AquaParade nerd-win over a crappy, sub-par DC film slate. He's leaving all of us no choice but to think that his whole social-acceptance hinges on his DC movie argument.

Bro, I don't need a win enough to sit here and lie, like you. Talk about desperate.

Here is me talking about my love of the Swamp Thing run, three years ago:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I love that Swamp Thing run. Speaking of Alan Moore, I just finished "From Hell".

It was incredible.

And another:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Is anyone else reading Immortal Hulk? I have the second deluxe hardcover on the way. I definitely enjoyed the first. To be reductive, I'd say it's like a lightweight version of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. Pretty dang good for a modern Marvel comic.

I'm also reading Brave New World for the first time since high school. Very fun book.

Aaand another:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

My favorite DC characters to read about do tend to fall outside of the Trinity as well - Batman, Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Constantine, Joker, Dr. Fate, Deadman, Catwoman, plus all the Verigo stuff, which is in essence, a bit of an offshoot but still under the DC label.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Annd some mooooore:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Powder

One about The Foot. Here's an old post of mine I still stand by.

The general concept is so good...

Here's where I'd throw a wrench in your plan: I think IDW is the origin to adapt, for a few simple reasons:

A. It's more cohesive than the Mirage origin, and arguably easier to digest.

B. There's a lot you can do with the mystery and debate over whether they are really reincarnated or not (Alan Moore Swamp Thing, anyone?). IDW could have done more with this angle, I believe.

C. It's fresh, fun, and it works.
...

Anyways, love your outline either way, Powder.[/QUOTE]

Again, here is some..."Moore":

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Yeah, should have figured. I've always liked the concept your suggesting though. Very 'Alan Moore Swamp Thing'.

Wow, it's almost like you're completely and totally wrong:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

This is a nutshell is what I have hoped for since the reincarnation aspect was introduced in issue #5. It's a bit like Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

Alright, almost done now. Here is one from 2013 lmao:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I like what Tom is doing but I wouldn't be opposed to another writer taking the torch at some point down the line.

If it were me, I'd destroy the great new origin that Tom has come up with, chalking up all those memories of their past life as hallucinations due to the drugs they were injected with. It's not that I don't adore the new take on their origin, but I just think there'd be a ton of material to mine from that revelation. Yeah, I'm clearly influenced by Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

Don't worry, it won't be me.

Here is some Alan Moooooore from 2011:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Anyone else read Alan Moore's run on Swamp thing?

If they are going to throw the human aspect in there, I think it would be best if it was similar to Alan's run on swamp thing.

Basically what you have is the Swamp thing discovers that he is not Alec Holland, turned into a swamp creature, but instead a swamp creature that thinks he was once Alec Holland. The discovery that he never was human, but just retains the memories of a dead human was totally brilliant.

Screw it, everything must go. Here's me talking about Swamp Thing in 2010, around when I first got into the series:

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Sounds like a great thread for me to "geek out" in

Lets see...I'm just going to list some of my favorite graphic novels and tpb's, and hope that it works as a "recommendation" for you.


Swamp Thing - I'm up to the third volume of the stories written by Alan Moore, and i'm falling in love with it. It's touching, haunting, and beautiful. It's really a great series, but not the most "traditional" comic book.
[B]

Woooof, you walked right into another hot one, my guy.
You're a regular "Charlie Brown".

It's sad that you feel the need to lie and conjecture to be right about a comic book character lol.

I've read the entire run multiple times. I own that new origin issue in a 9.6 cgc case, which is one of the only graded comics I own.

But IMJ says I haven't read it because he's never seen any proof of me reading it. We're strangers on a TMNT forum. What world is this guy living in? Welp, there's his proof lmao.

If you are going to disagree, you should do better than "liar!" based on nothing. This is how you end up in situations like we see above.
I'm trying to help you, man.

Now...let’s watch as IMJ either goes into full meltdown mode or moves the goal post. Because he certainly isn't going to own up to being incorrect. His best bet now is probably to do a 180 turn into an "you're so obsessed with Swamp Thing" bit and see what he can mine from that. That said, I'm betting he will just shift direction and try to change the debate from whether or not I've read Swamp Thing. Let's see.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Aqua once read Alan Moore as a guest-writer on Spawn. Now he claims he knows prestigious comics. For everyone else, this slate could definitely be considered lower grade. AquaParade is a simple thinker though - he says that it's a great slate because it has the "two most popular superheroes ever". So did Black Adam and Suicide Squad part 1. AquaParade dove "all-in" super early, but right now and upon announcement it looked like these are actually vehicles for other content - much the same way the first Suicide Squad put Affleck's Batman and the Joker in the trailers but it wasn't their movie. It's the same as pimping Cavil in Black Adam.

But Aqua is such a simp for his "DC wisdom" that he's dug-in on the word play draw for his "win". "Batman the Brave and the Bold". As if that is actually a full-on Batman flick rather than a draw for DC simps - just like the 1st Squad flick. But we will always have AquaParades word play and of course his DC Comics expertise - not across the whole hobby, not in any verifiable publication anywhere, mind you. Not anywhere credible in the hobby. But definitely here on the Technodrome forums. It's like he announced here that he was a "big DC fan", but has no reading and done nothing that we can verify for the hobby, but now he has to prove his "fandom" at all costs.

But for everyone else here, yeah I'm with you 100%. I'd love to see more DC Alan Moore on-film. Because so far I'm not excited at all about these DC film announcements. I'd like to be though - I've been reading DC, including Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, going back about 35 years now. I think, going back to the announcement day that the properties they chose were mistakes for grabbing audiences and for Universe building. Hopefully AquaParade gets lucky and his Brave and the Bold movie turns out to be his "Batman flick" as opposed to just more "Batman shows up in the Suicide Squad".

The bolded is just IMJ continuing to spout nonsense, which I've covered and negated above lol.

As for the rest, it's mostly IMJ still trying to arm-wrestle the slate argument back to being about the "quality" of the slate, as opposed to his meltdown over the factual matters of the slate. This is a theme for him. He got backed into a corner and is continually trying to argue that he is right because the slate "sucks".

But the reality is he is still embarrassed from speaking way out of turn at the start of this thread. Go see for yourself if you're curious.

Also, IMJ def didn't read Alan Moore's Swamp Thing lmao. It’s clear that he associates Alan Moore with high prestige, to the point that anyone claiming to read it is lying to seem cool or something equally insane.
This is IMJs projection of his own behavior. He thinks he’s prestigious if he reads Alan Moore. This dude is elementary.

As for "Brave and the Bold", it's a confirmed Batman and Robin movie. Will there be other characters? Sure, but they will be the main protagonists.
IMJ and Andrew are doubtful. Let's remember that for some more fun down the line

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Plus I'm pretty sure there's going to be a concerted effort not to show Batman in any truly solo movie, at least until Reeves is done with his boring trilogy. Out of respect to Reeves/professional courtesy.

Yeah, there's no real way to argue that Swamp Thing is not at least a C level character. He'd fairly niche. I remember when he popped up one time in the Kyle Rayner days of Green Lantern vol. 3, that was the first time I'd ever actually seen him in any DC comic, ever. I think that remains my only appearance of him I have or have ever read, and I have a pretty complete collection of GL comics, JLA and its spinoffs, and all, up through about 4 years ago. He's certainly a respected character, in his little corner. Way over there. No, keep going. Yeah, over there.

I agree. He's at least C-level.

Depends on how you weight it. You should read better comics tho. I guarantee none of those GL runs hold a candle to Alan Moore's work.
Put down those little green, yellow power ranger lantern books and read something good, Andrew.

And no one said “Brave and the bold” is a “truly solo movie”. You’re already trying to move the goalpost. Come on, man lmao. Too late for that.

[IMJ]

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

It's honestly smart of you to not dig in any deeper.

Easily the biggest "whoopsie" I've ever seen someone walk into here.

You're way more fun than Leo because you're easier to take down. Leo can be ridiculous but knows how to put up a sound argument that can't be destroyed quite so easily. You gotta do better if you want to be the new troll around here.

But I did call it:

Originally Posted by aquaparade

Now...let’s watch as IMJ either goes into full meltdown mode or moves the goal post. Because he certainly isn't going to own up to being incorrect.

_____

Btw, have we heard any momentum on Mangold directing Swamp Thing? Hope that pans out. Only better choice would be Ari Aster or Robert Eggers imo, but that won't happen.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I guarantee none of those GL runs hold a candle to Alan Moore's work.

That's a pretty dumb statement. Considering Alan Moore actually wrote some of it.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's a pretty dumb statement. Considering Alan Moore actually wrote some of it.

Nah, you're reading the color-coded power rangers stuff. Put it down and pick up some Alan Moore, boy.

A dumb statement would be you now inching towards "Well, Brave and the Bold won't be a truly solo movie", when no one on earth said it'd be a solo-story. Seriously, what is that?

[IMJ]

[AquaParade]

"James Gunn Says It's Hard for Marvel to Make Good Movies After Endgame"

https://movieweb.com/james-gunn-says...after-endgame/

“I really want Marvel to keep making good movies. I think it’s really hard in the wake of the Blip. There’s this worldwide, universe-wide event that happened. And in truth, everybody would be stark raving mad at this point. So it’s hard to write stories in the wake of that. Which is why the ‘Guardians’ movies have been easier, because they’re set outside of that a little bit.”

Also:

"I think there is such a thing as superhero fatigue," the filmmaker tells Rolling Stone. "I think it doesn’t have anything to do with superheroes. "It has to do with the kind of stories that get to be told, and if you lose your eye on the ball, which is character. We love Superman. We love Batman. We love Iron Man. Because they’re these incredible characters that we have in our hearts."

"If it becomes just a bunch of nonsense onscreen, it gets really boring," he continued. "But I get fatigued by most spectacle films, by the grind of not having an emotionally grounded story. It doesn’t have anything to do with whether they’re superhero movies or not. If you don’t have a story at the base of it, just watching things bash each other, no matter how clever those bashing moments are, no matter how clever the designs and the VFX are, it just gets fatiguing, and I think that’s very, very real.”

This guy really gets it. This slate has a really good chance of kicking ass.