Biden admin wants to block the sun

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well, let's be clear here. It's not BLOCKing the sun, they're looking to mildly filter the sun. Like, think some very mild sunglasses. The idea is to negate the impact (or relevance, really) of co2 emissions by just plain lessening the impact of the sun.

Why not just plant more trees? Surely it would be easier, cheaper and just overall be a better look.

[Splinter the boss]

Absolutely the better idea, rather than messing with something we have no clue whatsoever what its impacts might be. The heat coming from the sun’s rays isn't the source of the problem, what we're doing on earth is the real issue.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

Absolutely the better idea, rather than messing with something we have no clue whatsoever what its impacts might be. The heat coming from the sun’s rays isn't the source of the problem, what we're doing on earth is the real issue.

Exactly. It's the denial of reality and a refusal to attempt or try better solutions so there is the drastic attempt at a 'solution' you only saw villains try in comic books. Rather then admit our lifestyles and need for instant gratification and convenience are the drivers of the problems and something that needs to change. OK, fossil fuels are fueling climate change, but so is our desire to digitize and electrify everything which is a huge energy hog because it not only still relies on electricity generation by coal and oil, but also mining for rare minerals and metals (which tends to be from dodgy countries that like to use a lot of coal and oil with mining.)

As an example, you go on reddit on one of the sustainability subreddits and they're all for sustainability... until it is suggested by someone that increasing digitalization is also part of the problem. (That person gets downvoted.) Emissions were less when many things were more unconnected and computers were there but were not as dominant in life. People want to save the planet until it interferes with their soft padded lifestyle. Then they go for ridiculous things like blocking out the sun rather then give up comfort, even when it is obvious it is just as part of the problem.

Edited.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Exactly. It's the denial of reality and a refusal to attempt or try better solutions so there is the drastic attempt at a 'solution' you only saw villains try in comic books. Rather then admit our lifestyles and need for instant gratification and convenience are the drivers of the problems and something that needs to change. OK, fossil fuels are fueling climate change, but so is our desire to digitize and electrify everything which is a huge energy hog because it not only still relies on electricity generation by coal and oil, but also mining for rare minerals and metals (which tends to be from dodgy countries that like to use a lot of coal and oil with mining.)

As an example, you go on reddit on one of the sustainability subreddits and they're all for sustainability... until it is suggested by someone that increasing digitalization is also part of the problem. (That person gets downvoted.) Emissions were less when many things were more unconnected and computers were there but were not as dominant in life. People want to save the planet until it interferes with their soft padded lifestyle. Then they go for ridiculous things like blocking out the sun rather then give up comfort, even when it is obvious it is just as part of the problem.

Ah, yes, living in a pit, eating bugs, having electricity 2 hours per day, no fresh water or food. But the planet is safe! YAY!

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Ah, yes, living in a pit, eating bugs, having electricity 2 hours per day, no fresh water or food. But the planet is safe! YAY!

That's so not what we are saying lol. No one wants to go back to the cave times, but we are pretending the solutions are way out there, and grandiose, and just out of comic books and that we need to play God, rather than look
At our way of life and realize we are part of the problem. Sun has existed for couple billion years, it was never the problem

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

That's so not what we are saying lol.

That is not some of the "greens" state.
And in general, its hard to see your statements in a different light.

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

No one wants to go back to the cave times, but we are pretending the solutions are way out there, and grandiose, and just out of comic books and that we need to play God, rather than look

News at 11 - people always played gods.
So far it worked for us, warts and all. There is a little doubt that humanity will persevere through its ingenuity and technological progress, unless it will go with naysayers, luddites and fear-mongers, who are perpetually scared that next big thing "gonna kill us all".

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

Sun has existed for couple billion years, it was never the problem

I beg to differ: have you heard of sun radiation? Solar cycles?
Also, it is not about sun. Its like the least of our problems. It is more about climate, except it always had been changing throughout the years, even before humans. What are multiple extinctions in the history of Earth?

[Splinter the boss]

Agree to disagree, but there’s no way I’m ever going to believe that, reducing the potency of the suns rays over our planet is a solution or will ever be a solution that is permanent, safe and without consequences to things such as other life on our planet, not just smart bipedals, but entire ecosystems. Everything on this earth is interrelated and disrupting a single factor such as the suns heat, no way this isn’t deadly.

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Exactly. It's the denial of reality and a refusal to attempt or try better solutions so there is the drastic attempt at a 'solution' you only saw villains try in comic books. Rather then admit our lifestyles and need for instant gratification and convenience are the drivers of the problems and something that needs to change. OK, fossil fuels are fueling climate change, but so is our desire to digitize and electrify everything which is a huge energy hog because it not only still relies on electricity generation by coal and oil, but also mining for rare minerals and metals (which tends to be from dodgy countries that like to use a lot of coal and oil with mining.)

As an example, you go on reddit on one of the sustainability subreddits and they're all for sustainability... until it is suggested by someone that increasing digitalization is also part of the problem. (That person gets downvoted.) Emissions were less when many things were more unconnected and computers were there but were not as dominant in life. People want to save the planet until it interferes with their soft padded lifestyle. Then they go for ridiculous things like blocking out the sun rather then give up comfort, even when it is obvious it is just as part of the problem.

Edited.

Couldn't have said it better, you were on point

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Why not just plant more trees? Surely it would be easier, cheaper and just overall be a better look.

There isn't, like, a surplus of trees to plant. They plant the trees they have to plant. There isn't extras not being planted and going to waste because people don't want to plant trees.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There isn't, like, a surplus of trees to plant. They plant the trees they have to plant. There isn't extras not being planted and going to waste because people don't want to plant trees.

There are if you seed or propagate them. Source: am a bonsai/gardening enthusiast who has successfully propagated several trees. It's not even that hard to do.

[IMJ]

Exactly. Rather than changing our building codes to state that all national and state highways need a center partition lined with trees, they entertain discussing the plot of Highlander 2.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There isn't, like, a surplus of trees to plant. They plant the trees they have to plant. There isn't extras not being planted and going to waste because people don't want to plant trees.

Putting out those forest fires would be a good start....

[Splinter the boss]

That's how most people think, unfortunately, for ex most people would rather entertain the idea of becoming a multi-planetary species, hence the look for other earth-like planets rather than fixing what we already have here, the right way.

[oldmanwinters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFjAkAs_q4

[Dpooly84]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFjAkAs_q4

Lol my son loves this show we even got him a baby Sinclair, this episode is crazy

[Mayhem]

I watched Dinosaurs from start to end here (NOT THE MAMA!!!) and when that final episode aired, I was like wow, that's harsh... harsh but true in a way.