The 2024 presidential election

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Are there even any Desantis fans here?

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

Vivek is fine, too. I wouldn't be upset if he was the nominee, either.

[Dpooly84]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

Vivek is fine, too. I wouldn't be upset if he was the nominee, either.

I feel like Vivek is going to link up with Trump and become the first Indian vp

[TurtleManiac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ouch. There goes Pence's presidential chances.

The fly landing on Pence’s head during the 2020 debates has become symbolic of his character.

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

Trump really needs to step aside and let someone else run on the republican side.

Not happening.

Originally Posted by Zulithe

Vivek Ramaswamy is starting to look like a smart choice on the R side. DeSantis is a buffoon. Pence is not even remotely a contender. Their party really needs to move past trump and get some new energy. People should start looking into Vivek.

Trump is a con man, a crooked business man. America deserves better.

America thought they were getting better by getting rid of Trump, but that sure backfired, badly. Look how bad things have gotten all over the world since he left office. Alot of politicians on both sides are con men/ crooked business men, that’s how their net worth goes way up and they become millionaires/billionaires as public servants. Even the current guy has more shady business dealings in other countries.

At least Trump did put America first. His business experience led to a great economy. He don’t need money laundering and scams like most lying backstabbing crooked politicians. He got his own money. Trump is upfront and delivers as promised vs the Biden admin virtue signaling and lying about things like “student loan forgiveness” and “reparations” to get more votes.

The scariest thing coming out of the Biden admin now is their new 2024 campaign slogan, “let’s finish the job”. America may not recover from another 4 years under the Biden admin.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'd probably fit that bill. He fights for key issues well, does so in a way that doesn't stir up a hornets nest culturally, is a good enough speaker, and gets results. Though I'm sure he'd become the media Devil soon enough if he nabbed the nomination but at least it wouldn't be this built in thing, vs. with Trump where if you even say his name at the wrong dinner table faces will turn red with overfilling anger.

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but I'm with Disney over DeSantis about what happened in Florida. That's gonna be a shadow over his campaign surely.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but I'm with Disney over DeSantis about what happened in Florida.

You're with Disney on their pressuring DeSantis to ease up on signing a bill telling schools not to teach sexual orientation and gender identity to K-3rd graders? Or do you mean you think they should keep their special land/tax privileges in Florida that DeSantis is trying to yank away as a result?

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You're with Disney on their pressuring DeSantis to ease up on signing a bill telling schools not to teach sexual orientation and gender identity to K-3rd graders?

Now you're putting words into my mouth. That part, not really. Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

The bit about banning LGBT individuals from using their assigned gender bathrooms, definitely. Also the bits about "restricting reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade; schools to teach that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; and that reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” among some other bits and pieces.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

But I know you all think all trans people are mentally ill (reality, no they are not), so I'm bowing out of the discussion already as I'll get shouted down for even saying that here.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Now you're putting words into my mouth. That part, not really. Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

The bit about banning LGBT individuals from using their assigned gender bathrooms, definitely. Also the bits about "restricting reproductive health education in sixth through 12th grade; schools to teach that sex is determined by biology and reproductive function at birth; and that reproductive roles are binary, stable, and unchangeable.” among some other bits and pieces.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

But I know you all think all trans people are mentally ill (reality, no they are not), so I'm bowing out of the discussion already as I'll get shouted down for even saying that here.

Mayhem, as a trans person yourself I can understand how you would dig in on these things. And I think that it is obvious and clear to anyone who at least pauses to think about it that not all trans people are mentally ill.

But the real problem is that the public forum has been littered with the worst of your people for years now rather than the best of them. People having sex shows in front of children and crackpots with zits and yellow teeth on-camera going on about nonsense like "bathroom use".

The simple fact is that the nonsense topics that trans people seem to obsess with simply are distasteful and not prescient to the majority of normal and good people living their lives. And when you combine that with the loud mouthing, gas lighting and other social behaviors from the left that lack integrity completely (i.e. they say "you have an American flag on your shirt and so you are a right-wing extremist"), you have an absolute dumpster fire.

Nobody cares that you are trans, Mayhem. Everyone cares about what you bring into society however over what has become, quite frankly a nonsense and exhausting topic. Nonsense and exhausting is a dangerous combination when people grow tired of it.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by IMJ

But the real problem is that the public forum has been littered with the worst of your people for years now rather than the best of them. People having sex shows in front of children and crackpots with zits and yellow teeth on-camera going on about nonsense like "bathroom use".

The simple fact is that the nonsense topics that trans people seem to obsess with simply are distasteful and not prescient to the majority of normal and good people living their lives. And when you combine that with the loud mouthing, gas lighting and other social behaviors from the left that lack integrity completely (i.e. they say "you have an American flag on your shirt and so you are a right-wing extremist"), you have an absolute dumpster fire.

Well, there are two things the community does. The above where it seems that children are being exposed to things that they probably shouldnt which has led to some laws.

The other is the authoritan stance that is happening on social media. You *will* use language I demand. You *will* find me attractive. Then the push that we see in neighboring countries to be able to legally enforce them (arresting comedians for bad jokes, and the law proposed in Minnesota I think to make misgendering someone illegal).

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Are schools really chomping at the bit to teach six year olds about alternative lifestyles or is it made up hysteria about what could happen but likely not a snowball in hell chance?

Absolutely.

(for the record, we did all the reproduction sex stuff in seventh grade here, including watching education films about it I'm not sure they would show today. Oh and dissecting frogs and mice in the same year!)

Studies show that the more kids know earlier on in secondary school about sex education, all aspects, the lower the teen pregnancy rate tends to be. Although rates in the US have been coming down the last few years, they are still the highest in the developed world.

You're talking about "reproductive/sex education." I had that beginning in the 5th grade. This is a penis, this is a vagina, this is how a baby is made. Also, girls, you're about to start getting periods and this is why. Etcetera. What DeSantis is talking about is teaching kids about "gender identity" (as in, that there's many) and that there's multiple sexual orientations and they're all equally valid. That stuff has absolutely no role in the classroom.

This is a bit similar to the people saying, "They want to stop teaching about slavery in class!" when talking about removing critical race theory from the classroom.

[Mayhem]

I have no idea where IMJ gets the idea I'm trans. I'm not. I have a couple of trans acquaintances, couple of gay mates, most are completely straight, male or female. Hell, I have more Muslim friends than gay I'm not even left wing or liberal, at least not by the actual meaning of the words, not the random ******** Americans believe.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What DeSantis is talking about is teaching kids about "gender identity" (as in, that there's many) and that there's multiple sexual orientations and they're all equally valid. That stuff has absolutely no role in the classroom.

We will agree to disagree there, but probably agree that it shouldn't be introduced until secondary school at minimum together with the sex education stuff. Yeah, I don't think it should be taught to primary school kids. If the WHO are stating that it's all genuine, that's a serious world reputation statement.

(I believe that sort of thing should be educated about, in the same way as other useful life skills are not, such as how to save money and invest and what doing tax refunds mean, how to do first aid, what the system about work and buying a house, and several others)

As for the TikTok teachers, that's staff, educators, please show me school policy instead, after all, aren't the teachers meant to be following a curriculum determined by the place they work at? If the school isn't sanctioning it, then surely they shouldn't be teaching it either?

[Wolfie65]

Politics is show biz for the ugly
- Rush Limbaugh, ca. 1990-onwards.
Even he didn't know just how right he was......

[Wednesday's Serial]

The idea anyone on here would support DeSantis is horrifying.
His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.
His stance on education has gotten countless books banned and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery, stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.
His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.
His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.
His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.
His stance on prison has runied countless lives.
His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.
His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

The dude is straight evil.

Ya'll don't like Biden. Fine. But supporting this? I don't get it. We're here from a love of Ninja Turtles. I'd assume a certain appeal to a better tomorrow, doing right by others, and a vengeance for those who would hurt others based on prejudice. Hell, a certain love for the environment too. Instead, this? It's beyond dishearting. It's confusing, scary, and damning.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Wednesday's Serial

His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.

Good. Educators should be held accountable and leave the children alone. And it was never a "Don't Say Gay" bill, that was a term made up by the media, it was the "The Parental Rights in Education Act." Why on Earth would anyone bat an eyebrow at something that simply doesn't allow educators to discuss gender identity and sexual orientation with 3rd graders? Really, what's the reason?

His stance on education has gotten countless books banned

From school libraries, books ranging from anything from how to best do anal sex with your gay partner or transgender "how to" stuff.

and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery,

A complete lie. Florida, like all states, is, was and will continue to always teach about slavery. They're required to and there isn't even one example of them pulling back on what has always being taught. What they will NOT allow is Critical Race Theory, which has crept into curriculums in the past few years and teaches that all institutions must be torn down and rebuilt and that white people are inherently evil.

stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.

Total nonsense.

His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.

I'm not against abortion, but how? Let's see some examples.

His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.

Who are these mystery people, and how? Show your work. What, because he didn't pass some new crazy gun law? I haven't even seen one on the books or being proposed that would have stopped one shooting and, of course, we circle back to criminals just plain not following the law. Because they're criminals.

His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.

Now you're just rambling about nothing.

His stance on prison has runied countless lives.

What, in that we should have them and lock criminals up in them? gtfoh...

His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.

His state is doing fine. Great, even. That's why everyone is moving there.

His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

Ridiculous. What, that illegal immigrants should be given the offer to be sent off to the sanctuary cities in the states that claim to want them, or that maybe -- shocker! -- they should just try to seek normal, legal immigration routes to begin with?

[Wednesday's Serial]

Don't say gay bill
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/02/17/...gaAiS8EALw_wcB

Education. Most scary he's firing people for upholding mandates which was their job, of which they would have been fired if they didn't at the time. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ecord-00099037

I mean ****ing hell listen to librarians on libraries at least: https://action.everylibrary.org/what...0aAioCEALw_wcB

To the abortion thing. https://www.wqcs.org/wqcs-news/2023-...aternal-deaths

If the countless school shootings, grocery store shootings, and other shootings happening especially in Florida since his open carry law went into effect IDK what to tell you. Read... ANYTHING on the topic?

Dude, cops kill. Cops kill black people a lot. They tend to be more openly racist and prone to murder in Flordia. This is historically true. WTF how do you not know this? Are you from America?

I don't think locking people on more trumped-up chargers and misdemeanors but can't afford bail are helping anyone. Also they're making it a literal hell. https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...ater-uniforms/

Oy. https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/06/econo...ons/index.html

And with your last comment, you're admitting to being a racist. Holy hell.
PAPERS PLEASE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPo7..._channel=MSNBC

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

From school libraries, books ranging from anything from how to best do anal sex with your gay partneror transgender "how to" stuff.

Where can one find this book?

Asking for a friend...

[TurtleManiac]

Originally Posted by Wednesday's Serial

The idea anyone on here would support DeSantis is horrifying.
His don't say gay bills are doing actual harm, and have done damage to long-standing educators.
His stance on education has gotten countless books banned and is keeping kids from learning about things like slavery, stonewall, a history of police abuse, our history of white supremacy and how it inspired the Nazis, and other topics.
His stance on abortion has gotten women killed.
His stance on gun rights has gotten countless people killed, and none saved.
His stance on police has taken away rights and gotten people killed.
His stance on prison has runied countless lives.
His 'anti-woke' war is costing his state a severe amount of capital to deny reality as it exists.
His stance on immigration and worker pay is put together as a push to once again have a slave class.

The dude is straight evil.

Ya'll don't like Biden. Fine. But supporting this? I don't get it. We're here from a love of Ninja Turtles. I'd assume a certain appeal to a better tomorrow, doing right by others, and a vengeance for those who would hurt others based on prejudice. Hell, a certain love for the environment too. Instead, this? It's beyond dishearting. It's confusing, scary, and damning.

Yeah, I also would prefer Trump instead of DeSantis, since DeSantis seems kinda like a back-stabber and could very well be a uniparty shill. Still though, anything would be better than what we have now. The bar has been set pretty low, Bidenomics has failed us.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

DeSantis is everything people were/are scared Trump would be, and an unlikable, spineless idiot to boot.

Why is he a spineless idiot?

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

Yeah, I also would prefer Trump instead of DeSantis, since DeSantis seems kinda like a back-stabber and could very well be a uniparty shill.

Why is he a back-stabber? Just because Trump is upset DeSantis wasn't "loyal" in his going for the republican nomination, that he should just voluntarily sit out the race and let Trump have it uncontested because Trump claims to have helped him out in becoming governor? Because that's a silly standard.

[Vegita-San]

interesting, sad AND scary.. are we there, or close too it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2AuVQKpq0

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I don't normally support mega monolithic businesses, but

Think about what you just said. Just think about it