Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Several moments stay with me:

* Buffy sacrificing herself in a season finale.

* The death of Buffy's mom episode.

* The Dracula episode.

* The episode with the creepy silent grinning things.

* Spike going on a crusade to be worthy of Buffy (getting his soul back).

I liked the implications that Buffy's buddies revived her because they thought she'd be stuck in hell or something similar, but actually they pulled her out of heaven. Buffy finally found peace and was brought back to a world of pain and suffering, and she had to smile and suck it up cause she knew her friends meant well.

[Andrew NDB]

And this moment:

[Andrew NDB]

One oddity: I'm well into season 3 now and a little bit ago Faith just showed up. It's said in the episode that there's like a Watchers retreat where the Watchers organization gather for a few days and compare notes and such. It's also said that Giles never gets invited to these shindigs.

What? There is only ONE Slayer on the planet at any given time (well, beyond the fluke that created Kendra, and then Faith) which means that Giles is the only actual Watcher doing any Slayer watching. Wouldn't he be like the preeminent Watcher of the whole organization, like the Rockstar of the whole thing?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Oh, right! To then be resurrected on Angel. I don't remember, did Buffy ever show up on Angel? Particularly after Buffy ended?

briefly, alebit I might be wrong. I know she's mentioned plenty of times and one episode it's implied she's there, but SMG didn't appear, and all we saw was the back of her head

[Andrew NDB]

Finished with season 4. I enjoyed the Riley/Adam plot through the conclusion there but the actual final episode of the season (which was written and directed by Whedon himself) was pretty weaksauce, and tonally a weird end to the season. It's the one with the First Slayer haunting Buffy and the gang in their dreams. I guess it's supposed to be trippy and weird and even Lynchian in some ways but it all falls flat.

[Andrew NDB]

https://collider.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-spin-off/

"Buffy doesn't need a reboot, it needs a spinoff."

Yes! For the multiple slayers out there! Yes! For LGBTQ representation and bisexual visibility! Ye... wait, what?

[TheCanadiandrome]

what a terrible article, like wtf

[ZariusTwo]

The current Buffy spin-off, Audible's Slayers, has just been cancelled on Disney's orders

https://www.thepopverse.com/buffy-th...-cancel-ending

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The current Buffy spin-off, Audible's Slayers, has just been cancelled on Disney's orders

https://www.thepopverse.com/buffy-th...-cancel-ending

Canceled? I never thought for a moment it was anything but a one-off thing. Isn't it like entirely a weird alternate reality "what if?" thing anyway?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Canceled? I never thought for a moment it was anything but a one-off thing. Isn't it like entirely a weird alternate reality "what if?" thing anyway?

Like all expanded universe stuff, it's of dubious canonicity and contradicts other 'sequels' like the original season eight comics, but it is supposed to be a follow-up. It ended on a cliffhanger so they were hoping to continue.

[Andrew NDB]

Just made it to season 7 for the first time since... the first time. A few things:

* The "double meat" episode where Buffy starts working at the McDonald's-like place where it turns out a monster is eating people but she's afraid they're being turned into meat. This felt like a "classic Buffy" episode at just the right time.

* Huh, Anya and Xander don't actually get married? Wow, I completely mis-remember that whole thing. And peeking ahead a little bit... she even dies in season 7? Yeesh! And here I thought the Buffy revival would have to explain away not only Xander but Anya.

* The final confrontation in season 6 with Evil Willow and Xander. It was still meaningful, but for some reason I remembered Xander's speech to Willow being much longer, and much more teary-eyed. Still, it was fine.

[CyberCubed]

I thought you had finished watching Buffy a long time ago, surprised its taking you so long. Season 6 was disliked when it aired but I think a lot of it has aged better over the years. The Warren trio resemble modern day incels and Buffy coming back to life with depression fits. Tara dying was emotional and sad and the Dark Willow stuff was good. In retrospect I wish Tara had survived, but her actress also wanted to leave the show at the time.

Two things in Season 6 are still awful though. Spikes attempted rape of Buffy in the bathroom (literally made no sense because with her slayer strength she should of easily pushed him off her, instead she's written like a normal girl without powers in that scene), and almost ruined Spike himself. The second of course is Xander walking out on the marriage with Anya, then Spike/Anya sleeping together (which also made no sense), but whatever. It almost feels like the writers were purposely trying to piss fans off with those moments.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I thought you had finished watching Buffy a long time ago, surprised its taking you so long.

I took a break a little while ago. Angel was starting to bore me and season 6 wasn't super better, either. Post-Glory there was a big lack of direction that I don't think really got "better" until the last 5 or 6 episodes of the season.

Season 6 was disliked when it aired but I think a lot of it has aged better over the years. The Warren trio resemble modern day incels

Their tech really pulls me out of things. I know Buffy is a little outlandish as a concept, but at least in all the earlier seasons there wasn't anything OUTRAGEOUS going on, like Mr. Freeze's freeze ray freezing people alive or anything. With them, it's like we're stepping into the 1960s Batman show camp. At worst, Buffy acquired a bazooka in an earlier season and it was awesome. But that's, like, tech that exists.

Two things in Season 6 are still awful though. Spikes attempted rape of Buffy in the bathroom (literally made no sense because with her slayer strength she should of easily pushed him off her, instead she's written like a normal girl without powers in that scene), and almost ruined Spike himself.

Yeah, that was weird! She didn't even try to bat him away, really. The REASON for the scene kind of makes sense, at least. After all, if Spike really is this honest to goodness great guy now through and through then what's even the difference if he has a soul or doesn't have one? In fact, it even makes Angel look bad because if Spike can be so great without one, wtf was Angel doing still murdering all those people as Angelus for so long (or even when he had a soul and then lost it again and IMMEDIATELY went back to killing)?

Still, they could have accomplished this in so many other and better ways.

The second of course is Xander walking out on the marriage with Anya, then Spike/Anya sleeping together (which also made no sense), but whatever. It almost feels like the writers were purposely trying to piss fans off with those moments.

Just trying to be provocative for provocative's sake, I guess.