Minnesota shooting

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Maybe, maybe not. But surely something is better than nothing? 40 years ago in the Cold War there was nuclear missile drills in classrooms where you get under the desks, and a little bit before that there was actual "Gun Clubs" in class (and 0 school shootings). Those kids turned out OK, as these are like our fathers or grandfathers/mothers. So...? If nothing else, security should be beefed up since we're unwilling to address the core issues and/or they've become spiraled. I'm not against teachers having some kind of lockbox with a gun they're able to unlock in a crisis but barring that, normalizing armed security patrols or a consistent police presence seems prudent (which seems super good to me! let's get back in the business of doing the opposite of demonizing the police). "Gun Free Zones" are meaningless in a country where there is the 2nd amendment giving us the right to bear arms and no amount of willing them or crying at them or screaming at them from far away countries with a guilt complex like Germany is going to remove them from the country, and nor should they. Also, it's not lost on me that the loudest voices about school shootings are the people with no kids.

And I know what this kind of sentiment from the other side actually wants to say without (usually) actually saying it is, "COLLECT ALL THE GUNS! FROM THE U.S.! GOOD GRIEF, MARCH ALL OF THEM TO MORDOR AND THROW THEM INTO MOUNT DOOM IMMEDIATELY!!!" (and in little letters or no letters, "TRUST THE GOVERNMENT/THE POLICE TO SAVE YOU, ALWAYS! AND ALSO TO NEVER BECOME TYRANNICAL") but that's never going to happen. And again, nor should it. So what's your alternative? Like, seriously. Nothing? Just wait for the next shooting so you can get mad at the guns again, rather than actually present practical solutions (or at least measures) to prevent kids from getting shot up like fish in a barrel? That's your plan? This mentality is disgusting to me.

The sad thing is there is/our solutions out there, even with out your "Mt Doom" scenario.

A complete ban in the US would be beyond difficult, the proverbial toothpaste back in the tube.

The fact is the 1994 assault weapon ban did work and it was allowed to lapse and the mass shootings rates (no pun intended) shoot up.

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/202...gs-commentary/

Arming teachers, perhaps teachers don't want to armed, they choose to be educators. Also if there is an active shooter on campus, when the authorities arrive on site then have no way of decerning whom is the active shooter and who is the "good guy with gun".

Hey if my mentality is disgusting to you, so be it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by member_removed

Arming teachers, perhaps teachers don't want to armed, they choose to be educators.

#1, if we're agreeing to arm teachers in case of emergency then that wouldn't be something that's negotiable. They can cry about it to their pathetic teacher's unions and be sent packing. #2, if not the teachers, then we go back to my armed security or police presence.

Also if there is an active shooter on campus, when the authorities arrive on site then have no way of decerning whom is the active shooter and who is the "good guy with gun".

Ah, so it's much better then to second guess police knowing how to do their jobs and to do, instead, absolutely nothing to defend or protect the kids and wait for the next shooting to get mad at the guns again. Gottit. Yes, disgusting.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

#1, if we're agreeing to arm teachers in case of emergency then that wouldn't be something that's negotiable. #2, if not the teachers, then we go back to my armed security or police presence.



Ah, so it's much better then to second guess police knowing how to do their jobs and to do, instead, absolutely nothing to defend or protect the kids and wait for the next shooting to get mad at the guns again. Gottit. Yes, disgusting.

Look, no one is interested in taking your man toys away. Because - as member_ removed has pointed out - that is not even a possibility. People are talking about sensible rules for them. You and the rest of the gun lobby don't want that because you are so afraid that any rule might mean you could lose your precious guns. That's more important to your kind than any lives lost in any shooting.

And THAT right there is the disgusting mentality.