Avengers 5: Doomsday

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think it's just diminishing returns. The movies also don't feel fresh anymore because they recycle the same formula, the jokes feel the same, the character interactions are the same, etc.

They can always mix things up. That's not the problem. The problem is that Feige/Marvel/Disney have been dead set on aging out the core characters with the actual actors so that they can replace them with ones more in keeping with the higher ups' ideology (that means mostly women, disabled people, POC and LGBTQ stuff). They've already saddled all of the surviving Avengers with kids now (mostly girls). When they realized that none of this was working and nobody wanted to see this new direction it was mostly too late. Now the best they can do is do a couple back to back events to "freshen the pot" and revitalize/recast where needed.

In comic book terms, they're cancelling Vol. 1 of the MCU and bringing it back with a nice, shiny Vol. 2 #1. After Secret Wars.

[Coola Yagami]

One problem I also see is how a lot of the main characters are kinda similar. Tony is a smartass. Strange is a smartass. Starlord is a bit of a smartass. It's no problem when they're in their own movies, but lump em together and you got 2-3 guys all trying to out-smartass each other. It becomes a contest of which one gets to make the next big quotable quote that gets memed.

[sdp]

A Phase 4 that did the exact same things they had done previously would've failed as well. Perhaps not as fast but people are just tired of the formula. Only comic book nerds thought this could go on forever. Normies just found it cool for 10 years.

We'll never in our lifetimes get to the level of popularity that the MCU had, it's like those wrestling fans that think the Attitude era can just come back if things were exactly like they were in the attitude era. No, the time has passed.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

A Phase 4 that did the exact same things they had done previously would've failed as well.

idk, I don't think so. If they'd, say, right away started dropping breadcrumbs about Galactus after Endgame and did a slow crawl to a F4 movie that might have been something for Phase IV. Something and not nothing (which is what we got).

And what a waste, btw. They could have milked so much out of Galactus in advance of him and all they end up doing is, "Yep, there he is. In our F4 movie." During the marketing for the movie. That's it.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by sdp

A Phase 4 that did the exact same things they had done previously would've failed as well.

Nah, that's not on point at all. The MCU storytellers lost sight of good-narrative construction for the cash grab and they lost sight of a developing fanbase for "social messaging". And it came crashing down.

[ZariusTwo]

The X-Men teaser leaked

https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories...day_trailer_3/

[ToTheNines]

Death comes for us all, Oroku Saki. But something much worse comes for you…

[ToTheNines]

[sdp]

We're going to get an RDJ trailer where it seems he's iron man but at the end it'll show him with the Dr. Doom armor instead.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, the Rogue Cut made it like 3% better. No clue why that stuff was even cut to begin with.

[Stu_Padasso]

I admit that crossovers can be fun, but…

Does anyone else think that the X-Men and Avengers should each be their own thing? Can’t we focus on cohesive storytelling instead of “My favorite character has a bigger d!ck than yours” gimmick? I’m not ten years old anymore. And I can’t afford to buy comics or watch movies to keep up with this crap.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Stu_Padasso

I admit that crossovers can be fun, but…

Does anyone else think that the X-Men and Avengers should each be their own thing? Can’t we focus on cohesive storytelling instead of “My favorite character has a bigger d!ck than yours” gimmick? I’m not ten years old anymore. And I can’t afford to buy comics or watch movies to keep up with this crap.

The first problem is that we basically got two real "Avengers" flicks, and these Avengers movies are now "Marvel Universe" movies. The other problem is that people are "easy". I mean, I know this and am still excited by Cyclops in the costume actually doing "Cyclops stuff" on-screen after 25 years of waiting.

But, that's what is going to sell this movie. If none of that were there and this was the "Woke Avengers" as was pushed on us since Endgame, then it would fail miserably.

Infinity War and Endgame had narrative build-up and authentic excitement. This Doomsday thing is 100% pure "'memberberries".

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

And now the real one

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The X-Men teaser leaked

https://www.reddit.com/r/MCUTheories...day_trailer_3/

Wait, what? Is this real? Stewart and McKellen AGAIN??? WHY?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Wait, what? Is this real? Stewart and McKellen AGAIN??? WHY?

Cause they want to give the fox men one final send off before the MCU version

[Barkworm]

How many send offs do they need? Stewart's Xavier has died at least three times already.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by sdp

A Phase 4 that did the exact same things they had done previously would've failed as well. Perhaps not as fast but people are just tired of the formula. Only comic book nerds thought this could go on forever. Normies just found it cool for 10 years.

We'll never in our lifetimes get to the level of popularity that the MCU had, it's like those wrestling fans that think the Attitude era can just come back if things were exactly like they were in the attitude era. No, the time has passed.

Right, the fad is over. Look at Walking Dead. It was HUGE for a while, and it had consistency issues the entire time. Plus plenty of good seasons after the hype died down.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

How many send offs do they need? Stewart's Xavier has died at least three times already.

Seriously.

[Stu_Padasso]

Originally Posted by IMJ

The first problem is that we basically got two real "Avengers" flicks, and these Avengers movies are now "Marvel Universe" movies. The other problem is that people are "easy". I mean, I know this and am still excited by Cyclops in the costume actually doing "Cyclops stuff" on-screen after 25 years of waiting.

But, that's what is going to sell this movie. If none of that were there and this was the "Woke Avengers" as was pushed on us since Endgame, then it would fail miserably.

Fair enough. The thing is that many of us know that these are “memberberrys.” It only worked for Deadpool and Wolverine because it was a screwball comedy.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Infinity War and Endgame had narrative build-up and authentic excitement.

I would have to respectfully disagree. I hate to sound like an armchair economist, but a lot of the time it’s not due to a lack of resources but rather supply chain problems. War, trade disputes, pandemics, corruption, mismanagement, and so on.

Thanos could have simply used the Infinity Gauntlet to double the amount of resources in the universe our used it’s power as leverage to resolve these problems. Instead, he’s just a giant purple Greta Thunberg.

And it’s still a bloated mess that requires me to watch hours upon hours of television and movies that I don’t care for or do research online to follow what’s going on. That’s not entertainment, that’s homework. Of course I will be accused of not being a “true fan” because I can’t spend next month’s mortgage payment on this stuff because I don’t treat Marvel as a lifestyle brand that defines me.

I got back into TMNT in large part because it was a “smaller,” more digestible universe. If it crossovers with anything it should be John Wick because it itself is still a newer, “smaller” franchise.

And because I want to see Keanu kill the Shredder with a pencil.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Stu_Padasso

I would have to respectfully disagree. I hate to sound like an armchair economist, but a lot of the time it’s not due to a lack of resources but rather supply chain problems. War, trade disputes, pandemics, corruption, mismanagement, and so on.

Thanos could have simply used the Infinity Gauntlet to double the amount of resources in the universe our used it’s power as leverage to resolve these problems. Instead, he’s just a giant purple Greta Thunberg.

And it’s still a bloated mess that requires me to watch hours upon hours of television and movies that I don’t care for or do research online to follow what’s going on. That’s not entertainment, that’s homework. Of course I will be accused of not being a “true fan” because I can’t spend next month’s mortgage payment on this stuff because I don’t treat Marvel as a lifestyle brand that defines me.

I got back into TMNT in large part because it was a “smaller,” more digestible universe. If it crossovers with anything it should be John Wick because it itself is still a newer, “smaller” franchise.

And because I want to see Keanu kill the Shredder with a pencil.

I mean that's an interesting perspective but... uhh... how does that line up to disagreeing with:

Originally Posted by IMJ

Infinity War and Endgame had narrative build-up and authentic excitement.

Because regardless of the plot, those movies did have "narrative build-up and authentic excitement" for them.

Originally Posted by Stu_Padasso

I got back into TMNT in large part because it was a “smaller,” more digestible universe. If it crossovers with anything it should be John Wick because it itself is still a newer, “smaller” franchise.

And because I want to see Keanu kill the Shredder with a pencil.

That is a crossover begging to happen.....

[Autbot_Benz]

That Thor trailer is amazing barley over a minute and it’s more Thor than love and blunder was