007 - Everything or Nothing. - Page 2

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-28-2004, 04:36 PM

I played this game

I lost my faith with James Bond no sooner had DAD aired, mainly for reasons to do with Cleese. Trust me, it was pure luck I decided to give this game a chance.

Overall the game's not actually bad, it is however flawed at times. Firstly the gameplay had improved greatly. It features some cool actions such as climbing down the sides of buildings and hand-to-hand combat. Something that lacked in the previous versions of the games. The gameplay is more challenging, making it harder. You can even lean up against walls and shoot from there, or knock over tables and hide behind them. But EoN doesn't just limit itself to guns and fist/kick boxing, you can pick up items and use them as weapons. Items such as bottles, crowbars and pipes. It has some original levels as well such as Bond throwing himself off a cliff after the girl and (As in GoldenEye) you get to drive the tank. And once you finish the game, there are two bounus levels to unlock. The game does manage to maintain true to the Bond flicks as did Nightfire, there's an Atlantas-style base, the Scotland MI-6 castle, lasers, Jaws even makes an appearence. The gadgets include a rapple, thermographic vision and a robotic spider that can explode and go into small places. The title theme song by Mya is (As was the Nightfire theme) quite better than Madonna's Die Another Day theme. But am I to give Everything or Nothing a 10/10 simply because it has challenging gameplay and has the true spirit of the Bond films? Of course not. As said above the game is greatly flawed. To start with, as you would have noticed the game is viewed from the third-persion like Syphon Filter or Splinter Cell. The first two Bond games on PS2 were first persion shooters, much like TimeSplitters and Deus Ex. The difference between the two is this, where as in a first persion shooter you see the action from your characters eyes, a third persion shooter is viewed from a external camera. As the game has switched to the third person alot of aspects that made the Nightfire and even Agent Under Fire for that matter a joy to play have been stripped. Where's the laser watch, the jet pack, the x-ray specs, the hand over hand crawl across wires, the ability to slide down wires, the option to crawl through vents, if Solid Snake can do it why can't James Bond? It also seems odd that the enemy AI can crawl over boxes not much taller than their waste and yet Bond can't. The auto aim could use some improving, 007 often aims for a man in the distance even when there's another target two meters behins him. As mentioned above, the game remains true to the films, but sadly that includes last seasons moron-a-thon, Die Another Day. In this game, both Bond and the henchmen use nano suits, in other words clothes that are able to cloak the persion wearing them. Invisibility in Bond is a major no no, these suits are ridiculous as the invisible car in Die Another Day, and that's in the game too! The driving levels are slightly on the dissapointing side, while fairly chaotic the cars themselves just don't have enough gadgets. The vehicles include the Aston Martin Vanquish, a Triumph Daytona 600 motorbike, a helicopter, two tanks (One of which you can drive), a rally race car, and (sadly) a Porsche Cayenne Turbo (Three words, No German Cars!). The worst aspect of this game has to be John Cleese, yet again, ruining the image that was Desmond Llewelyn's character. At least in Die Another Day, Cleese had a cameo role. Here he just won't shut up! Him always radioing you through-out the mission, frequent trips to Q-Branch. It's just painful to see him refered to and credited as Q at every chance they get. His proformances both here and in Die Another Day are so bad words can not describ them. Don't listen to what other Bond fans say about him, they only support him simply because they like his roles in Monty Pyhon/Fawlty Towers. He also rips off some of Desmond meterial again. Whereas in Die Another Day he rips of Desmond's "I never joke about my work line", here he rips "Oh grow up, 007" and "Use them sparingly". Would these by any chance be more, what EON call, "tributes to Desmond"? I think not. As said above, he should not be Q, but R. He knows it and I know it. And here's the question, why can't EA just create a CG Desmond for the game and use that? It's what they did in Nightfire, The Word Is Not Enough, 007 Racing, and Tomorrow Never Dies. According to Darren Pattenden, EA's Lead Character Artist, because MGM had the say over it. You remember how when they were making NT:TNM the producers wanted a female turtle? Same issue here. MGM refused them to use Desmond, they demanded they use Cleese as Q. Typical, when ever anyone wants to talk about Q it's always Cleese, Cleese, Cleese. You'd think Desmond never existed. Also the story writers are just foul smelling copy-cats. The game has the exact same storyline we saw in that Agent Codey Banks film, a man trying to take over the world using metal-destroying nano bots. And as you may have guessed, the bad guys wearing cloaking devices are a pure Foot Tech Ninja rip-off.

In short verdict, EoN is definatly not the best Bond games, it depends on who you recommend it to. If your a die hard Q fan (Such as myself), there's nothing forcing you to play this game so run away and hide NOW.

6/10

Jarrah White.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-28-2004, 06:52 PM

Ignore some biased ramblings people, if you're a true BOND fan, you'll pick up this game, it's the second greatest Bond game since Goldeneye. PERIOD.

*Taloniss* · 03-28-2004, 07:12 PM

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And here's the question, why can't EA just create a CG Desmond for the game and use that? It's what they did in Nightfire, The Word Is Not Enough, 007 Racing, and Tomorrow Never Dies.

Because Desmond is no longer Q? Get over it, man. And a CG one wouldn't have his voice, so you'd still bitch about that.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-28-2004, 07:53 PM

Pick up a copy of Agent Under Fire. During the making of that game they had plans to have John Cleese's voice and likeness for the character of R. When Cleese turned the role down, they hired someone else to voice R. The man voicing R in that game sounded exactly like Desmond. So why not create a CG Desmond and have him voiced by the man who voiced R in AUF.

*Taloniss* · 03-28-2004, 08:28 PM

Authenticate the game to the movies that are coming out now so people who are new to Bond and have only seen the last one or two movies know who is talking to them?

And really, how much bearing did Q have in EoN? He talked, big deal, turn it down if you hate his voice that much, or listen to your own music. That's what I do in 99% of games, unless sound plays some important bearing on the gameplay.

And I'm not picking up a copy of a crappy game just to hear one voice.

And I'm done with this thread. You obviously have a mad hate on for Cleese, and no matter what you're never going to be satisfied with him, so why bother.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-28-2004, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

Pick up a copy of Agent Under Fire. During the making of that game they had plans to have John Cleese's voice and likeness for the character of R. When Cleese turned the role down, they hired someone else to voice R. The man voicing R in that game sounded exactly like Desmond. So why not create a CG Desmond and have him voiced by the man who voiced R in AUF.

Because the current film audience are becoming more familiar with Cleese.

Get over it, John Cleese IS Q now, nothing can change that, and he's doing a great job of it, stop b*ching about it.

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-29-2004, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

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Originally Posted by Jarrah White

Pick up a copy of Agent Under Fire. During the making of that game they had plans to have John Cleese's voice and likeness for the character of R. When Cleese turned the role down, they hired someone else to voice R. The man voicing R in that game sounded exactly like Desmond. So why not create a CG Desmond and have him voiced by the man who voiced R in AUF.

Get over it, John Cleese IS Q now, nothing can change that, and he's doing a great job of it, stop b*ching about it.

Except a slow and painful death for the actor himself.

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Because the current film audience are becoming more familiar with Cleese.

Only because Desmond has recieved the same treatment as Venus; completely covered up and forgotten by the creators. They sicken me, no one has remained in the Bond series longer than Desmond and he deserves some respect.

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it's the second greatest Bond game since Goldeneye. PERIOD

Perhaps, but it won't appeal to Q fans. They hate Cleese for destroying Desmond's character.

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Originally Posted by Taloniss

And really, how much bearing did Q have in EoN?

At least call him R.

03-28-2004, 06:52 PM	#22
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03-28-2004, 07:53 PM	#24
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Actually... Pick up a copy of Agent Under Fire. During the making of that game they had plans to have John Cleese's voice and likeness for the character of R. When Cleese turned the role down, they hired someone else to voice R. The man voicing R in that game sounded exactly like Desmond. So why not create a CG Desmond and have him voiced by the man who voiced R in AUF.

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03-28-2004, 04:36 PM	#21
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	I played this game I lost my faith with James Bond no sooner had DAD aired, mainly for reasons to do with Cleese. Trust me, it was pure luck I decided to give this game a chance. Overall the game's not actually bad, it is however flawed at times. Firstly the gameplay had improved greatly. It features some cool actions such as climbing down the sides of buildings and hand-to-hand combat. Something that lacked in the previous versions of the games. The gameplay is more challenging, making it harder. You can even lean up against walls and shoot from there, or knock over tables and hide behind them. But EoN doesn't just limit itself to guns and fist/kick boxing, you can pick up items and use them as weapons. Items such as bottles, crowbars and pipes. It has some original levels as well such as Bond throwing himself off a cliff after the girl and (As in GoldenEye) you get to drive the tank. And once you finish the game, there are two bounus levels to unlock. The game does manage to maintain true to the Bond flicks as did Nightfire, there's an Atlantas-style base, the Scotland MI-6 castle, lasers, Jaws even makes an appearence. The gadgets include a rapple, thermographic vision and a robotic spider that can explode and go into small places. The title theme song by Mya is (As was the Nightfire theme) quite better than Madonna's Die Another Day theme. But am I to give Everything or Nothing a 10/10 simply because it has challenging gameplay and has the true spirit of the Bond films? Of course not. As said above the game is greatly flawed. To start with, as you would have noticed the game is viewed from the third-persion like Syphon Filter or Splinter Cell. The first two Bond games on PS2 were first persion shooters, much like TimeSplitters and Deus Ex. The difference between the two is this, where as in a first persion shooter you see the action from your characters eyes, a third persion shooter is viewed from a external camera. As the game has switched to the third person alot of aspects that made the Nightfire and even Agent Under Fire for that matter a joy to play have been stripped. Where's the laser watch, the jet pack, the x-ray specs, the hand over hand crawl across wires, the ability to slide down wires, the option to crawl through vents, if Solid Snake can do it why can't James Bond? It also seems odd that the enemy AI can crawl over boxes not much taller than their waste and yet Bond can't. The auto aim could use some improving, 007 often aims for a man in the distance even when there's another target two meters behins him. As mentioned above, the game remains true to the films, but sadly that includes last seasons moron-a-thon, Die Another Day. In this game, both Bond and the henchmen use nano suits, in other words clothes that are able to cloak the persion wearing them. Invisibility in Bond is a major no no, these suits are ridiculous as the invisible car in Die Another Day, and that's in the game too! The driving levels are slightly on the dissapointing side, while fairly chaotic the cars themselves just don't have enough gadgets. The vehicles include the Aston Martin Vanquish, a Triumph Daytona 600 motorbike, a helicopter, two tanks (One of which you can drive), a rally race car, and (sadly) a Porsche Cayenne Turbo (Three words, No German Cars!). The worst aspect of this game has to be John Cleese, yet again, ruining the image that was Desmond Llewelyn's character. At least in Die Another Day, Cleese had a cameo role. Here he just won't shut up! Him always radioing you through-out the mission, frequent trips to Q-Branch. It's just painful to see him refered to and credited as Q at every chance they get. His proformances both here and in Die Another Day are so bad words can not describ them. Don't listen to what other Bond fans say about him, they only support him simply because they like his roles in Monty Pyhon/Fawlty Towers. He also rips off some of Desmond meterial again. Whereas in Die Another Day he rips of Desmond's "I never joke about my work line", here he rips "Oh grow up, 007" and "Use them sparingly". Would these by any chance be more, what EON call, "tributes to Desmond"? I think not. As said above, he should not be Q, but R. He knows it and I know it. And here's the question, why can't EA just create a CG Desmond for the game and use that? It's what they did in Nightfire, The Word Is Not Enough, 007 Racing, and Tomorrow Never Dies. According to Darren Pattenden, EA's Lead Character Artist, because MGM had the say over it. You remember how when they were making NT:TNM the producers wanted a female turtle? Same issue here. MGM refused them to use Desmond, they demanded they use Cleese as Q. Typical, when ever anyone wants to talk about Q it's always Cleese, Cleese, Cleese. You'd think Desmond never existed. Also the story writers are just foul smelling copy-cats. The game has the exact same storyline we saw in that Agent Codey Banks film, a man trying to take over the world using metal-destroying nano bots. And as you may have guessed, the bad guys wearing cloaking devices are a pure Foot Tech Ninja rip-off. In short verdict, EoN is definatly not the best Bond games, it depends on who you recommend it to. If your a die hard Q fan (Such as myself), there's nothing forcing you to play this game so run away and hide NOW. 6/10 Jarrah White.

03-28-2004, 08:28 PM	#25
Taloniss Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,819	Authenticate the game to the movies that are coming out now so people who are new to Bond and have only seen the last one or two movies know who is talking to them? And really, how much bearing did Q have in EoN? He talked, big deal, turn it down if you hate his voice that much, or listen to your own music. That's what I do in 99% of games, unless sound plays some important bearing on the gameplay. And I'm not picking up a copy of a crappy game just to hear one voice. And I'm done with this thread. You obviously have a mad hate on for Cleese, and no matter what you're never going to be satisfied with him, so why bother.