Nintendo's Future (Longest Post Ever)

[Taloniss]

I highly doubt the industry would die without Nintedo. Video games are a billion dollar business, and Sony and Microsoft are a large part of that figure. Nintendo is too, but it's not like it's the only thing saving the industry from becoming bankrupt.

And, Nintendo is spitting out the same stuff over and over as well. They're have been at least 5 Pokemon games (all basically the same game) and they keep releasing ports or remakes, that, granted, are of classic games, but it's still the same thing as 15 years ago. Where's the innovation in that?

The other companies are trying new things as well, Sony is has the eye toy (it will come with PS3) and X-box is doing well with Online play with X-box live. Online could be a big market for Nintendo (Mario Kart over the net? Damn straight that'd own. Pokemon battles against anyone? That'd be good) but they don't seem to realise it yet.

Anyway, the PS2 controller is a dead SNES rippoff.

Who cares? It works fine, and it's alot more comfortable for me (and all my friends) then the Gamecube controller. Why mess with a controller that works?

I don't want Nintedo to die, I really don't. I've owned every one of their systems (minus Virtual Boy, but I thought that was stupid even when I was a kid and it looked like it'd be hard to play without straining your neck) and I enjoy their first person titles, but I think Sony and Microsoft are doing good things as well. That's why I own all four systems.

[Dr. Doom]

Regardless of what happens with their consoles, I'm confident that Nintendo will always have a strong position in the handheld gaming market.

[MW8979]

If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today.

[Taloniss]

You know what would own? Mario Party Online. Oh, the fun that would be had.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by SuperShredder84

If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today.

Something completely different, and complately *****y. Sony & Microsoft only upgrade their systems. They never do anything "really" innovative. They just add more power and slap a little more blood in their games to stir up conterversy. Online games are all the rage at the moment, but eventually people are going to get sick of Halo and it's many clones, and Sony/Squaresoft making people pay $99 for a hard drive before you get to play online Final Fantasy on top of a monthly fee. The will have that kind of stuff out of the box for free. It won't have long range, but who cares.

I'm just saying that Sony & Microsoft's games are just clones of something that's been done before with a little blood thrown on for good measure, or sports titles. The one thing that they will never have are Nintendo's franchises. They have bookloads of loyality in that department. Blinx and Conker will never be Mario and Sonic, and they realise that. Ratchet and Clank will never be Banjo & Kazooie, Jax will never be Link, and so on and so on. The PSP will sell, but not on the Game Boy's scale.

I think NIntendo is going to fight hard and win back a lot of lost ground in the next generation.

[Kid Icarus]

Originally Posted by SuperShredder84

If Nintendo didn't go all soft in 96 when they released N64, they wouldn't be in this mess right now. Companies like Squaresoft, Capcom and Konami would be making plenty of games for them and they could maintain their reputation. But the fact that they decided to introduce this whole "minimal violence" theme to their system is what let them down. This is exactly why I bought a PS then and not N64. All the good game series left Nintendo and went on to Sony who had no rules about what kind of games they'd market. If Nintendo wants to become equal again, they need to do exactly the same thing - eliminate their high censorship standards. It's rather ironic how their hendheld games manage to be quite good and yet their console games suck lately. And on the question of their disappearance - it probably won't happen. If anything, Nintendo will eventually disappear in a financially beneficial merger with another company. And if it does suddently go away, then sure there will be a big void to fill, but I think Sony and Microsoft will compensate for that just fine. All they have to do is produce more unoriginal games, and people will buy them just because they're there. Sure, older fans might turn away, but a new generation of kids won't give two ***** about "the good old days". So I figure that the game industry will keep thriving anyway, it's just that eventually it will become morphed into something completely different from today.

And it seems that Sony's marketing's gotten to you too... Luckly, you're around people who know the facts.

1) Nintendo NEVER said what games could and could not go on their system. That was the 3rd parties choice. Keep in mind that Resident Evil DID go on the N64, and that Silicon Knights Eternal Darkness was originally a N64 title, both VERY "mature" games.

2) And yes, the game industry would begin to collapse. Nintendo might release upgrades or ports, yes, but they also create fully original software at the same time. Pikmin, Wario Ware, the e-Reader, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros., Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime.... I could type this all day.

Also, Microsoft's Live service isn't doing as well as they'd have you belive... only 23% of X-Box gamers are online. TWENTY THREE percent. And yes, Nintendo IS working on an online network. The GBA is going to have a big mofo LAN deal if you live around stores when Pokemon Fire/Leaf (more games are supporting the wireless adapter too, not just Pokemon), and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.

And Sony's Eye Toy? Gameboy Camera ring a bell? Webcams? I've been doing what Eye Toy's doing on PS2 ever since I got my computer a good 4 years ago. Eye Toy is the most gimmicky thing I have ever seen, peroid.

One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

[Demonfox38]

I'm going to be honest: I love Nintendo. Always have, always will. It's the ONLY company system I play with. I don't even have a freaking Sega, that's how obsessed I am. Just thought I'd make it clear that I am overly biased in the Video Game area.

I think that there are some games that Nintendo has made that proves that they are definately not all kiddie. Metroid Prime, anyone? (That games scares the living daylights out of my boyfriend . . . ) They are starting to get a little more adult-oriented with their games, a good example being F-Zero GC. Hell, they're starting to bring over Japan series, like Fire Emblem and Custom Robo. It's great to see those games in English.

I have had only one thing to kick on any GCN game, and that is probably the graphics on Zelda: WW. Sure, it's a marvelous, deep, game, but somehow the legend seems to deteriorate with someone is giving you chibi-anime expressions.

I am extremely excited about E3 this year! Here's watching for WW2, Paper Mario 2, Star Fox Armada, Metroid Prime 2, and Fire Emblem. I hope they fixed Fox McCloud's graphics . . .

[Peanut]

Seriously when all the new systems come out...I'm only buying Nintendo. I regret the day I ever bought my PS2 which has become a dvd player/dust collector since Kingdom Hearts. X-Box I was playing lots of but only because I owned NHL2k3 for it. I'd probably still be playing it...IF IT HADN'T BROKE! What the hell kind of product are you making when the damn thing just stops working after just about 2 years? A sh*t one that's what! GCN is the only system I feel I haven't been ripped off buying.

[Dr. Doom]

Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Gwgtrunks

And it seems that Sony's marketing's gotten to you too... Luckly, you're around people who know the facts.

1) Nintendo NEVER said what games could and could not go on their system. That was the 3rd parties choice. Keep in mind that Resident Evil DID go on the N64, and that Silicon Knights Eternal Darkness was originally a N64 title, both VERY "mature" games.

2) And yes, the game industry would begin to collapse. Nintendo might release upgrades or ports, yes, but they also create fully original software at the same time. Pikmin, Wario Ware, the e-Reader, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros., Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime.... I could type this all day.

Also, Microsoft's Live service isn't doing as well as they'd have you belive... only 23% of X-Box gamers are online. TWENTY THREE percent. And yes, Nintendo IS working on an online network. The GBA is going to have a big mofo LAN deal if you live around stores when Pokemon Fire/Leaf (more games are supporting the wireless adapter too, not just Pokemon), and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.

And Sony's Eye Toy? Gameboy Camera ring a bell? Webcams? I've been doing what Eye Toy's doing on PS2 ever since I got my computer a good 4 years ago. Eye Toy is the most gimmicky thing I have ever seen, peroid.

One more point... Squaresoft and Capcom ARE making plenty of games for them now... and so is Namco (Soul Calibur 2 sold the best on Gamecube, btw). Infact, Nintendo financed the set up of a new stuido for Square, and Capcom has been one of their closest developers this generation (RE4, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, PNO 3, and Dead Phoenix, along with the REmakes and an exclusive Mega Man game).

Dude, I am so glad that you're here! Let me restate his best point...

Originally Posted by Gwgtrunks

and I think they're just perfecting this technology so you'll have FREE online gaming.

See, Nintendo is always researching to create something new, convenient, and simple to use, while the other guys go with the mainstream & expensive stuff.

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

That's why they wanted the thing to play DVD movies, so people would wear it out fast, just in time for PS3. I've hardly ever heard of people having troubles with their Game Cubes.

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

Seriously when all the new systems come out...I'm only buying Nintendo. I regret the day I ever bought my PS2 which has become a dvd player/dust collector since Kingdom Hearts. X-Box I was playing lots of but only because I owned NHL2k3 for it. I'd probably still be playing it...IF IT HADN'T BROKE! What the hell kind of product are you making when the damn thing just stops working after just about 2 years? A sh*t one that's what! GCN is the only system I feel I haven't been ripped off buying.

Ninendo's systems don't break as fast because they have fewer moving parts, and they have been doing this since 1984. They know what they're doing, while Xbox's have been known to break down on Christmas morning. At almost every store I go to with the three systems on display, the Cube is the only one working. The PS2 is frozen, and the Xbox won't even read the demo disc.

I'm sorry that your system broke down on you Michaelangelo. It sucks when something like that happens.

[Taloniss]

I'm just saying that Sony & Microsoft's games are just clones of something that's been done before with a little blood thrown on for good measure, or sports titles.

What was GTA a clone of? Stuntman? Red Faction, while a standard FPS introduced us to it's engine that allows us to shoot through anything. I'm not sure the first game to use it, but I'm sure Nintendo didn't invent Rag Doll physics or the Havok engine (as seen in Max Payne 2) which allows realistic interaction with the environment. Nintendo isn't the only innovator out there.

Nintendo does the same thing you accuse the others of. How many Pokemon games have their been? How many Mario Party games? Mario Party is all the same game, just with new boards and and some new mini games (which are all basically the same as something that was done in a previous Mario Party) How innovative is that?

Sony & Microsoft only upgrade their systems. They never do anything "really" innovative.

What did Gamecube do that was so innovative?

Sony raped us all of our money by manufacturing a system that breaks down after 2 years.

I've had mine since launch (3 years ago? Or 4?) and mine still works perfectly.

Only 23% of X-boxs may be online, but how many x-boxs are out there? How much does it cost Microsoft to run the service? Probably not a whole lot in relation to what they make off of it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Taloniss

What was GTA a clone of? Stuntman? Red Faction, while a standard FPS introduced us to it's engine that allows us to shoot through anything. I'm not sure the first game to use it, but I'm sure Nintendo didn't invent Rag Doll physics or the Havok engine (as seen in Max Payne 2) which allows realistic interaction with the environment. Nintendo isn't the only innovator out there.
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Granted, Nintendo does it too, just not to the extent that the other guys do. They dream up loads more than Sony or Microsoft. Mario Party may have a load of sequels, but has there even been a clone of Mario Party that was ever worth playing?

[Taloniss]

Has there been a mario party past number 3 that was worth spending the money on?

Don't get me wrong, I want Nintendo to succeed. I love Nintendo. I think they have the most recognizable characters, some of the best games and the most name value in the industry today. Wind Waker was one of the best, if not the best game I've ever played. Metroid Prime showed that FPS' didn't have to be all run and gun. Mario Party, in any form, is a great multiplayer game. Gameboy is still king of handhelds, and I own a GBA, GBASP, and I'll likely pick up the NES themed GBA as well.

But, I think the other two are doing some good things as well. Each company has it's good points and it's bad points, just like anything in the world. Nothing is perfect.

[Kid Icarus]

Originally Posted by Taloniss

What did Gamecube do that was so innovative?

Their mini-disc's. They've yet to be cracked for ROMS. And there still isn't a GC emulator out there. That's a dead gaurentee to developers that their product won't be stolen.

However, I'm now finding it hard to support Nintendo... Why?

Silicon Knights and Ninty just split. And there really isn't any logical reasoning behind it like there was with the RARE thing.

[Taloniss]

And there still isn't a GC emulator out there.

Yeah, there is. It's v.01, only runs a few games, but there is one. Or, was one a few months ago at least.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Taloniss

Has there been a mario party past number 3 that was worth spending the money on?

Actually I own both GCN Mario Party games and they get worn out by me and my friends.

[Taloniss]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelo

Actually I own both GCN Mario Party games and they get worn out by me and my friends.

Were there such monumental innovations in them that you had to get it, or was it because you and your friends enjoy them? I didn't mean that they were bad games, I myself own Mario Party 4, and enjoy playing it solo or with friends, I just meant that there was nothing earthshatteringly new about it. I just wasn't clear enough in my original post. My bad.

[Peanut]

No of course not. My friends and I just enjoy it. Sometimes innovation is not needed to warrant a purchase. I think the point some people were trying to get across is that while other companies do make innovations Nintendo is the leader in said category. Take a look at Wario Ware Inc: Mega Micro Game$ and tell me if Sony or Microsoft have ever created a game that even comes close to the innovation of it. PS2 pumps out RPG after RPG after RPG. They're praised for the FF series on their console. Yet it's easily one of the least innovative game series in history! Along with Mega Man of course.

[Hyper Metal Sonic]

There's a simple reason I prefer Nintendo (and Sega) over Sony and Microsoft...

INNOVATION.

While most games released by Sony and Microsoft are just rehashes of old stuff with blood and more graphics, etc...

Nintendo (and Sega) make ORIGINAL stuff. Sega, for example, with Jet Set Radio. When have you ever played a game that had you rollerblading through a town spraying graffiti all over the place?

Nintendo...how about stuff like Animal Crossing? Before Nintendo you've never played ANYTHING like Animal Crossing.

These are both extremely original games, without a lick of blood or "maturity"...and guess what?

THEY'RE FREAKING FUN AS HELL!

[Peanut]

I got Animal Crossing the day it came out and I still play it everyday.