The Sony Thread - Page 8

**Barkworm** · 01-28-2007, 12:40 PM

Not even the Japanese are buying. Sony has shipped about 1 million PS3s in Japan but they actually haven't sold more than about 500k. Of course there are no interesting games for it but still.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 01-28-2007, 01:45 PM

i dunno what to say now. the psp is making money as well as ps2 so sony are doing ok.. if sony just drops the price a bit it will help but just because they lose money they can make it back if more games are released.

Jed · 01-28-2007, 02:25 PM

Games are going to be way too dear over here, discount stores are selling them for nearly €80 online, and they usually sell games between €10 and €20 cheaper than proper stores.

*Mr. Snackpants* · 01-28-2007, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

i dunno what to say now. the psp is making money as well as ps2 so sony are doing ok.. if sony just drops the price a bit it will help but just because they lose money they can make it back if more games are released.

How do you know PSP sales are good? I'm not saying you're lying but I would like to know you're source. I know one person with a PSP. Every Wal-Mart and Meijer around has full cases of PSP games that no one is buying.

Just wondering...

Peanut · 01-28-2007, 03:49 PM

PSP has lost in Japan. It's dead. Everyone thought MGS: PO would bring the PSP back. It showed up for awhile, still dwarfed by the sales over everything by the DS, then dropped right back off the map.

It's doing better in North America, or it was, but now it's just being destroyed. The sale of games is horrendous. When a game like Liberty City Stories needs to be ported to the PS2 to recoup development costs...well...you know you're not doing well. And now there are a ton of rumblings about a new PSP. After only two years? Doing that would prove that Sony f*cked up with the PSP, and it would only make them look worse. And who the hell is going to invest in an even more expensive piece of portable gaming filth? I know I won't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicDonny

if sony just drops the price a bit it will help but just because they lose money they can make it back if more games are released.

They. Can't. Drop. The. Price. They're already losing way too much on each PS3 as it stands. Not only would dropping the price so early put them even further in the hole, but it would be like admitting defeat to Microsoft. Sony is a Japanese company, an arrogant Japanese company, if there's any other kind, and they'd never do something like that. And at the current price, each PS3 owner needs to buy something like 6 or 7 games before Sony can even begin to make a profit, top this off with the fact that a company is going to need to sell at least 500,000 copies of a game to break even on any PS3 developed game and you're looking at a bleak picture.

All of this just keeps building against them. Every week you've got heads of major game developing companies coming out and ripping Sony a new asshole. And projects for the PS3 kept getting pushed back and/or canceled out right. Not even just third-party games like Oblivion or GRAW2, but even first party stuff like Warhawk, which now may never even see the light of day.

Their hole just keeps getting bigger and the faults just keep piling up. Many have speculated the latest news about FFXIII using Unreal 3 is evidence of them going multi-platform. Unreal isn't the most friendly engine to use on the PS3, but it is the most friendly you can use on 360 and the PC. Can you imagine the damage losing Final Fantasy would do to Sony? Then you have to realize that they're going up against a flood of insanity from the 360 this year. Halo 3 alone will destroy anything the PS3 has to offer. Yes, that includes both MGS4 and FFXIII, neither of which will probably even get out in NA in 07. When Halo 3 hits, Sony has to have an actual install base, or they're going to do nothing but fall further and further behind. Once all those people have bought into the 360 with Halo, you're going to get the once exclusive stuff that the PS2 built itself on. GTA4 to be specific, and with around 13-14, maybe even 15 million 360's sold by the time GTA4 hits the market, that's going to sway a ton of people.

Things just don't look good for Sony. Not good at all.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 01-28-2007, 04:34 PM

ya you 2 sure got good points.

however we are still early in the next-gen lifecycle so wait a year and see what happens.

*R-iZZy* · 01-31-2007, 08:48 PM

Even though the PS3 is losing Sony a ton of money at the moment, the company is apparently seriously looking at a potential price cut for the next-gen system. A senior Sony exec told reporters that it's an option that may be used to expand the market.

Sony's PlayStation 3 was blamed just recently for bringing down Sony's profits, and now just one day after Lazard Capital Markets analyst Colin Sebastian said that a price cut for the console shouldn't be ruled out for this year, a senior Sony executive has gone on record saying that a price drop is an option to consider.

Although no decision on a price cut has been made just yet, according to an Associated Press report, "Pricing is among the factors Sony Corp. is studying as it expects to break even in its money-losing gaming business next fiscal year." Keep in mind that Sony actually lowered the PS3 price in Japan by about 20 percent before the console even went on sale.

"We may look at the price as part of our strategy to expand the market when the timing is right," Sony Senior Vice President Takao Yuhara told reporters at the company's Tokyo headquarters.

The obvious question, however, is: How can Sony realistically afford to bring the price down on the PS3 if the company is losing upwards of $300 on each unit sold? Moreover, Yuhara said that total annual loss at Sony's gaming division for the fiscal year through March could turn out to be even worse than the 200 billion yen ($1.6 billion) that the company previously forecast.

Nevertheless, Sony's plan to break-even during the next fiscal year in the gaming business actually does factor in price cuts. "Such factors, including price cuts to some extent, are factored in [the break even plan]," explained Yuhara.

A price cut would be a risky financial move for Sony, but Sony apparently isn't averse to taking risks these days. And if the company is able to streamline the production process while lowering the price and introducing "AAA" software at the same time, it's a strategy that could ultimately pay off.

SOURCE

Peanut · 01-31-2007, 08:55 PM

It's such a huge risk, I just don't see it happening. If they made that decision they would need a miracle to pull through. And if they do pull off a price cut, I don't see it being very big. They just can't do it, like that article said, they're losing money hand over fist on each PS3 sold. They would need to be sure as sh*t that they're going to break even next year, and they have no way of telling that. It's either they're 100% sure, or someone at Sony is looking for a reason to jump from the top of the SCE office building.

Either way, a government GST check and one screw job from Dell later has me looking for a PS3, possibly this weekend. We shall see.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 02-01-2007, 12:22 AM

wait your actually thinking of getting a ps3 now?

anyways, did u hear sony released 3.10 firmware for the psp people believe it's to counter the downgrader for 3.03.

should I update to 3.10 or downgrade and homebrew?

Peanut · 02-01-2007, 12:35 AM

I was always going to get a PS3. I'm not a fanboy. I love games, not game companies. When the money was available in aggregate amounts, I always knew I would pick one up. The promise of a God of War 3 is enough to make the gamer in me pick one of them up, despite the fact that 2nd hasn't even been released yet.

It's a common misconception that I'm a Microsoft fanboy or something, when in fact I take everything as it's presented. My hate for the majority of Halo is well known among the VG forum old-timers, yet I'm commonly called a Halo fanboy. It's strange, but I'll live with it.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 02-01-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peanut

I was always going to get a PS3. I'm not a fanboy. I love games, not game companies. When the money was available in aggregate amounts, I always knew I would pick one up. The promise of a God of War 3 is enough to make the gamer in me pick one of them up, despite the fact that 2nd hasn't even been released yet.

It's a common misconception that I'm a Microsoft fanboy or something, when in fact I take everything as it's presented. My hate for the majority of Halo is well known among the VG forum old-timers, yet I'm commonly called a Halo fanboy. It's strange, but I'll live with it.

well i know now that you are not a microsoft fanboy. you just owned a 360 big deal..

I want a ps3 also considering I have a psp.

So peanut, should I upgrade or downgrade to the custom firmware?

Peanut · 02-01-2007, 01:11 PM

Most of the homebrew stuff on the PSP is garbage anyways. And when you play newer PSP games it's always going to make you update to the latest firmware. I personally think downgrading is a waste of time.

*Ecto Jedi* · 02-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peanut

Most of the homebrew stuff on the PSP is garbage anyways. And when you play newer PSP games it's always going to make you update to the latest firmware. I personally think downgrading is a waste of time.

Ditto. Personally, I'd never jeopardize the safety of my $300 PSP by running all manner of pirate, home-made games and emulators.

Peanut · 02-01-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

Ditto. Personally, I'd never jeopardize the safety of my $300 PSP by running all manner of pirate, home-made games and emulators.

Another very good point. Upon running all that crap, your warranty is null and void. A lot of homebrew programs have been known to brick PSPs. If that happens, you're pretty much screwed.

*Ecto Jedi* · 02-01-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R-iZZy

The obvious question, however, is: How can Sony realistically afford to bring the price down on the PS3 if the company is losing upwards of $300 on each unit sold? Moreover, Yuhara said that total annual loss at Sony's gaming division for the fiscal year through March could turn out to be even worse than the 200 billion yen ($1.6 billion) that the company previously forecast.

Yikes! So each PS3 is costing Sony about a thousand dollars to make? That's whack.

Peanut · 02-01-2007, 01:58 PM

That's the price they pay for getting that Blu-Ray player in there. So much rests on the success of that format.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 02-01-2007, 04:01 PM

I guess I will stick with the offical firmware then.

Anyways, to those that has been wondering if Metal Slug Anthology will be coming out for the psp, I just got word from another message board that the offical date of the north america is 3/01/07 which is like a month away

Europe will be getting theirs in 8 days and a few reviewers have already got their copies so I will be waiting to see what they give it.

I can't wait.. finally it's coming.

*Spitfire* · 02-01-2007, 06:58 PM

You guys read Sonypro's new article?

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domes...es/95508.shtml

That's just pathetic.

*Ecto Jedi* · 02-01-2007, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

You guys read Sonypro's new article?

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domes...es/95508.shtml

That's just pathetic.

What's pathetic, my dear friends, is people not being able to accept opinions that differ from their own. No offense intended, of course.

TheGreenMagic · 02-01-2007, 09:58 PM

Well... Rondo of Blood coming out for the PSP?

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3156904

Yeah, that news seriously makes my day.

01-28-2007, 12:40 PM	#141
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,761	Not even the Japanese are buying. Sony has shipped about 1 million PS3s in Japan but they actually haven't sold more than about 500k. Of course there are no interesting games for it but still. __________________ Make ****, not kill!

01-28-2007, 02:25 PM	#143
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01-31-2007, 08:48 PM	#147
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	PS3 price lowering due soon,even though sony lose 1.6 billion on it Even though the PS3 is losing Sony a ton of money at the moment, the company is apparently seriously looking at a potential price cut for the next-gen system. A senior Sony exec told reporters that it's an option that may be used to expand the market. Sony's PlayStation 3 was blamed just recently for bringing down Sony's profits, and now just one day after Lazard Capital Markets analyst Colin Sebastian said that a price cut for the console shouldn't be ruled out for this year, a senior Sony executive has gone on record saying that a price drop is an option to consider. Although no decision on a price cut has been made just yet, according to an Associated Press report, "Pricing is among the factors Sony Corp. is studying as it expects to break even in its money-losing gaming business next fiscal year." Keep in mind that Sony actually lowered the PS3 price in Japan by about 20 percent before the console even went on sale. "We may look at the price as part of our strategy to expand the market when the timing is right," Sony Senior Vice President Takao Yuhara told reporters at the company's Tokyo headquarters. The obvious question, however, is: How can Sony realistically afford to bring the price down on the PS3 if the company is losing upwards of $300 on each unit sold? Moreover, Yuhara said that total annual loss at Sony's gaming division for the fiscal year through March could turn out to be even worse than the 200 billion yen ($1.6 billion) that the company previously forecast. Nevertheless, Sony's plan to break-even during the next fiscal year in the gaming business actually does factor in price cuts. "Such factors, including price cuts to some extent, are factored in [the break even plan]," explained Yuhara. A price cut would be a risky financial move for Sony, but Sony apparently isn't averse to taking risks these days. And if the company is able to streamline the production process while lowering the price and introducing "AAA" software at the same time, it's a strategy that could ultimately pay off. SOURCE __________________

02-01-2007, 04:01 PM	#157
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	I guess I will stick with the offical firmware then. Anyways, to those that has been wondering if Metal Slug Anthology will be coming out for the psp, I just got word from another message board that the offical date of the north america is 3/01/07 which is like a month away Europe will be getting theirs in 8 days and a few reviewers have already got their copies so I will be waiting to see what they give it. I can't wait.. finally it's coming. Last edited by LogicDonny; 02-01-2007 at 04:19 PM.

02-01-2007, 06:58 PM	#158
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	You guys read Sonypro's new article? http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domes...es/95508.shtml That's just pathetic. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

01-28-2007, 01:45 PM	#142
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	i dunno what to say now. the psp is making money as well as ps2 so sony are doing ok.. if sony just drops the price a bit it will help but just because they lose money they can make it back if more games are released.

01-28-2007, 04:34 PM	#146
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	ya you 2 sure got good points. however we are still early in the next-gen lifecycle so wait a year and see what happens.

01-31-2007, 08:55 PM	#148
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	It's such a huge risk, I just don't see it happening. If they made that decision they would need a miracle to pull through. And if they do pull off a price cut, I don't see it being very big. They just can't do it, like that article said, they're losing money hand over fist on each PS3 sold. They would need to be sure as sh*t that they're going to break even next year, and they have no way of telling that. It's either they're 100% sure, or someone at Sony is looking for a reason to jump from the top of the SCE office building. Either way, a government GST check and one screw job from Dell later has me looking for a PS3, possibly this weekend. We shall see.

02-01-2007, 12:22 AM	#149
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	wait your actually thinking of getting a ps3 now? anyways, did u hear sony released 3.10 firmware for the psp people believe it's to counter the downgrader for 3.03. should I update to 3.10 or downgrade and homebrew?

02-01-2007, 12:35 AM	#150
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I was always going to get a PS3. I'm not a fanboy. I love games, not game companies. When the money was available in aggregate amounts, I always knew I would pick one up. The promise of a God of War 3 is enough to make the gamer in me pick one of them up, despite the fact that 2nd hasn't even been released yet. It's a common misconception that I'm a Microsoft fanboy or something, when in fact I take everything as it's presented. My hate for the majority of Halo is well known among the VG forum old-timers, yet I'm commonly called a Halo fanboy. It's strange, but I'll live with it.

02-01-2007, 01:11 PM	#152
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Most of the homebrew stuff on the PSP is garbage anyways. And when you play newer PSP games it's always going to make you update to the latest firmware. I personally think downgrading is a waste of time.

02-01-2007, 01:58 PM	#156
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	That's the price they pay for getting that Blu-Ray player in there. So much rests on the success of that format.

02-01-2007, 09:58 PM	#160
TheGreenMagic Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA Posts: 161	Well... Rondo of Blood coming out for the PSP? http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3156904 Yeah, that news seriously makes my day. __________________ Last edited by TheGreenMagic; 02-02-2007 at 06:58 AM.

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