TMNT and Transformers

[Coola Yagami]

you also have to consider both cartoons when they premiered in the 80's. Even back then the Transformers were punching and blasting at each other, while the turtles were reduced to throwing pizzas at the bad guys or makin em trip on roller skates. It's still hard to make the tmnt grow up because the original series will always be in everyone's minds. Look at all the complaints from this movie, the fans were pissed that Shredder wasn't in it, nor was Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and all the stuff they remember from the old show. Most movie goers don't even know who the hell Karai is or that there was a 2K3 show. But when you see the Transformers movie you still see Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Jazz, all the oldies you remember from the old cartoon.

[tcclives23]

Originally Posted by Scandia

I honestly liked the Turtles movie better than the Transformers ones. And keep in mind that I enjoyed watching the cartoons when I was a kid/teen for BOTH of them.

When I exited the TMNT movie, I wanted to go watch it again.

The Transformers movie was worth watching at the theatre and paying to do so, but that's about it. Not a bad movie- but not the best movie I have watched this season.

The TMNT movie made me become obsessed with TMNT. The obsession the first time around was not THAT big- possibly because I was MAJORLY obsessed with something else at the same time.

You bet I won't be getting obsessed with Transformers anytime soon. Granted, my interest in it was never all that big- but a better movie could have gotten me more interested this time around.

The TMNT movie has made me get into the comic. And the 2k3 series. And rewatch the movies. And rewatch the old toon. I have not purchased a single piece of Transformers merchandise or watched anything else from it.

Overall, in my book, the Turtles pwned the Transformers big time.

Let me just start off that, IMO, Transformers was amazing and I had never seen any of the cartoon series prevoiously. So amazing that I had to see it a second time. I did not do this with TMNT although I wanted to really badly. However, I will agree with you that the Transformers movie did not make me become obsessed with everything Transformers like I became obsessed with TMNT. Because of the new TMNT movie, I was plunged into the world of TMNT that had been going on since the '80s. So far I've really only gotten into the 2K3 series and the old movies.

[Dragon Turtle]

Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Well, I knew all of that already, heh. My question is why.

And CGI vs Live Action doesn't mean one thing. There've been TONS of adult animated movies.

Basically, the producers were able to sell the idea to Steven Spielberg, who decided it would a good idea to turn into summer movie. The producers, Don Murphy and Tom Desanto, had said that a number of studios had turned down Transformers. Within Paramount there was probably just as much skepticism and doubt about the prospects of an 80's toyline as there was at Warner Bros toward TMNT.





I don't believe current popularity played a great deal in the decision to push Transformers as a big summer movie, it was just Paramount took a bigger gamble since they were more desparate for hit movies, the only really big summer movies they've had recently were Mission Impossibe 2 and War of the Worlds, both movies that relied on the star power of now exiled actor Tom Cruise.

Transformers is also relatively cheap for summer blockbuster produced at 145-150 million, any higher and Paramount would have probably had past too.





As for "Tons" of movies, you do realize the last PG-13 animated movie in wide release was Final Fantasy:Spirits Within, released back in 2001, and it was a hugh boxoffice bomb, studios aren't currently interested in PG-13 animated features, only safe and cute animal movies, no way was Warner Bros going to greenlight a PG-13 cgi movie.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

you also have to consider both cartoons when they premiered in the 80's. Even back then the Transformers were punching and blasting at each other, while the turtles were reduced to throwing pizzas at the bad guys or makin em trip on roller skates. It's still hard to make the tmnt grow up because the original series will always be in everyone's minds. Look at all the complaints from this movie, the fans were pissed that Shredder wasn't in it, nor was Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady and all the stuff they remember from the old show. Most movie goers don't even know who the hell Karai is or that there was a 2K3 show. But when you see the Transformers movie you still see Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Jazz, all the oldies you remember from the old cartoon.

I don't know why people bitch so much about missing bad guys that they remember, we get the TMNT, Splinter, April and Casey... what more do you need?

[Cascadia]

Transformers and TMNT have been around at the same time....*drum roll* 1984. However, in terms of the animated series, Transformers was around 3 year prior to TMNT.

Here is a new wrinkle but do not quote me on this. Little is known about the new Transformers animated series that will begin airing sometime in 2008 - formerly known by the working title, Transformers: Heroes. It will premeire on Cartoon Network and takes place in Detroit. Confirmed Transformers featuring the show include Optimus Prime (who will be a fire truck), Megatron, Bumblebee, Ultra Magnus, Prowl, Ratchet, Starscream, and a new Autobot character named Bulkhead.

Another wrinkle possibly a rumor...There are two sequels in development.

I feel that my childhood (1980s) is haunting me so to speak.

[Dragon Turtle]

Originally Posted by Scientific freak

Transformers and TMNT have been around at the same time....*drum roll* 1984. However, in terms of the animated series, Transformers was around 3 year prior to TMNT.

Here is a new wrinkle but do not quote me on this. Little is known about the new Transformers animated series that will begin airing sometime in 2008 - formerly known by the working title, Transformers: Heroes. It will premeire on Cartoon Network and takes place in Detroit. Confirmed Transformers featuring the show include Optimus Prime (who will be a fire truck), Megatron, Bumblebee, Ultra Magnus, Prowl, Ratchet, Starscream, and a new Autobot character named Bulkhead.

Here is a thread with the latest info on the new Transformer cartoon.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=20683


Just a thought, but do you believe this new cartoon is more mature and adult then the TMNT 2k3 cartoon?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I don't know why people bitch so much about missing bad guys that they remember, we get the TMNT, Splinter, April and Casey... what more do you need?

I know, frankly I was glad that he wasn't in the movie and that it wasn't a restart. I love the TMNT and all, but I didn't want another origin movie. I'm glad they went with something new and moved on. And Karai is cute too.

[odupianist]

IMO, the Transformers movie had amazing action and awesome graphics, but it lacked in story. Mainly because they had to keep it simple when the general public probably doesn't know the story of the Autobots and the Decepticons.

[Scandia]

But they could still have done something better other than throwing in some stupid high school romance story.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Originally Posted by Scientific freak

Transformers and TMNT have been around at the same time....*drum roll* 1984. However, in terms of the animated series, Transformers was around 3 year prior to TMNT.

Here is a new wrinkle but do not quote me on this. Little is known about the new Transformers animated series that will begin airing sometime in 2008 - formerly known by the working title, Transformers: Heroes. It will premeire on Cartoon Network and takes place in Detroit. Confirmed Transformers featuring the show include Optimus Prime (who will be a fire truck), Megatron, Bumblebee, Ultra Magnus, Prowl, Ratchet, Starscream, and a new Autobot character named Bulkhead.

Another wrinkle possibly a rumor...There are two sequels in development.

I feel that my childhood (1980s) is haunting me so to speak.

God I hope so.

[ToTheNines]

Another thing, the new Transformers movie might as well been renamed "Sam and the Transformers", and who cares about Sam? Atleast the recent TMNT could have been renamed to "Raphael, Leonardo and the 2 other TMNT".

[tilallr1]

Huge Transformer Fan Here.

Love this topic. Obviously.

I loved both Transformers and TMNT recent films the same however. That is saying alot.

Mostly because I am a die hard G1 Transformers fan and although they attempted to honor G1 with getting Peter Cullen to voice Prime in the movie, the bot designs were crap and looked more like Alien creatures then Transformers. Also, didn't appreciate the heavy human focus on the story. This is after all a movie about Transformers. But it was better than nothing I suppose.

Bottomline is Transformers has actually a larger fandom then Turtles. Also sells a hell of alot more toys. Meaning Transformers is easy money.

I think what they did with Turtles in the recent movie was the best you could have expected. Making the series any darker would probably lose money. Only die hard Mirage comic fans would enjoy it and it would alienate the majority 80's cartoon fan base of Turtles.

But don't get me wrong, I would love that to happen. I just don't think they will ever reboot Turtles. But thats just my opinion.

[SavantiRomero]

on the same note for the reason of this topic, I watched harry potter last night during hte 10-midnight showing (I thought there's be less kids, boy was I wrong), and I have to say, even harry potter has blood now, lots more than the previous movies, and lots more vividly depicted violence. There's not much language, but even nude/kiss scenes....... (no nude shots in this one though).

My point. I also don't see why they won't take TMNT up a rating, not that a rating will change anything, god knows there is no real system to rating a movie, it's just what they choose to slap it with.

[Roseangelo]

Harry Potter ends up in its own category, pretty much outside of any established rules. And the new movie is pretty tame compared to what's in the actual book, which is far more bloody and violent in the end battle.

[Spawn Guy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Snackpants

I think it's because of all the previous TMNT movies. They were aimed at kids, it was goofy. People probably wouldn't like the change, especially those who grew up with the 80s toon.

But it isn't 1980 anymore. There's a reason anyone with any kind of common sense gets pissed at the whole "They raped my childhood!" thing anytime its brought up. And the old toon fans are getting an entire bunch of new retro goodies, so they can be provided for along with the new toon crowd.

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Huge Transformer Fan Here.

Mostly because I am a die hard G1 Transformers fan and although they attempted to honor G1 with getting Peter Cullen to voice Prime in the movie, the bot designs were crap and looked more like Alien creatures then Transformers.

Ignoring the fact the Transformers are alien creatures...

Bottomline is Transformers has actually a larger fandom then Turtles. Also sells a hell of alot more toys. Meaning Transformers is easy money.

True.

I think what they did with Turtles in the recent movie was the best you could have expected. Making the series any darker would probably lose money. Only die hard Mirage comic fans would enjoy it and it would alienate the majority 80's cartoon fan base of Turtles.

Not necessarily. If your thinking death every ten seconds and ludicrous amounts of blood, then yeah. City at war or Shades of Grey on the other hand could fit pretty well into PG 13 rating. At the sacrifice of a couple of deaths that could probably be implied anyway true, but done right...plenty of maturity. Find away to smooth in the humour and you might end up with something that appeals to both age groups.

Batman, a franchise that's never going to shake off the Adam West rep took risks by going back to it's roots through The Dark Knight Returns and the Timm Burton movie and look at it now: Even a cartoon aimed at a younger audience still has a decent amount of the elements that make up the character.

Or people can take what they can get form it. They always do, whether it's "I'm still clinging to 1980" or "Eh, cool ten years ago."

The problem, ultimately, is as Rose said. Laird is playing too safe…if he’s playing at all.

[odupianist]

Another thing, the new Transformers movie might as well been renamed "Sam and the Transformers", and who cares about Sam? Atleast the recent TMNT could have been renamed to "Raphael, Leonardo and the 2 other TMNT".

Hahah hilarious

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I don't know why people bitch so much about missing bad guys that they remember, we get the TMNT, Splinter, April and Casey... what more do you need?

Cause their idiots. Plain and simple. their to stupid to enjoy something new so they'd rather watch the same things they've seen 300 times before because their not intelligent enough to process multiple characters. That and the fact that their "scared" oh NO! It might not be good so I'd rather go see a sequel because I don't know what to expect.

Hell how about you just tell me the entire movie start to finish and THEN I'll go watch it. If there's a twist I want to know that to before I go in.

Movie go'ers now of days make me puke. Their devoid morons who run away from anything with a hint of intelligence and wit behind it.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

If TMNT was made like Transformers it would be 2 hours long and over half of it would be about some annoying kid who makes jokes that aren't funny flirting with some chick he has no chance with.

The turtles themselves would be nothing more then a subplot, have no character development, and all the fight scenes would have the camera shaking the entire time so you have no idea what's going on.

Amen on that all the way.

[Cascadia]

Originally Posted by The S

Amen on that all the way.

Ditto on that...

[odupianist]

The bad guys we remember from the old toon weren't in the first three movies, and those did alright, (okay well maybe not 3 but still).