Winx Club

*Drtooth* · 09-10-2007, 01:05 PM

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I'd love it see a Disney Fairies series. I've always loved Tinkerbell and have read a few of the kids chapter books for the Disney Fairies series and they are quite good. Done properly, it could be a great cartoon.

As for the Tinkerbell movie, while Disney has finally decided to put a stop to their "cheapquels" a few were too far into production to stop, Tinkerbell the movie being one of them. I heard it will be pretty bad too, but it is Tink, so I kinda hope they are wrong. I'll watch it and judge it on its own merits if it has any.

It could be if done properly... but it probably wouldn't. I can just see it being a very girly cheaply made product. Like their sitcom line up... yuckka!

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I really do believe that cartoons that don't promote gender roles are the way to go too, Dr. Tooth. I mean, look at how many girl fans there are of TMNT, like me, and it's a so-called "boys" cartoon. But I also think that if you look at the new fall line up of cartoons, too many of them feature a boy hero which automatically brings to mind the label of "boys cartoon." Doesn't mean girls won't watch them, but I wonder why we don't have more "strong girl" cartoons around like Sailor Moon or Jem and too many like Strawberry Shortcake as you said. We could do with a few more Kim Possibles or Juniper Lees is all. And I always liked Pepper Ann too.

Here's something I've been saying for years. it's hypocritical to have strong female leads in a boy demographic cartoon, and horrible, weak, let's look pretty types as stars in grils cartoons. look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty, they pretty much set women back to preSusan B Anthony days, and look like terrible sluts doing it. The Barbie dolls try to make it look like women can be anything, and yet Bratz oversell them.

There are boys shows with bad girl characters shoved in for no good reason (we are TMNT fans... we know exactly who I'm talking about.... and it ain't April.) But then they do something wonderful, like X-men or something. Strong women like Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey. We need more role models like them. plus women like that make better characters anyway.

**GK Punk** · 09-10-2007, 01:11 PM

See, that's what I hated about Winx Club. I saw it once when it debuted and I assumed that's what the characters were like. After giving it a chance I learned the girls are A LOT stronger than it looks like on the Surface. The story has pretty much revolved around showing how much Growth Bloom has done as a person.

The first season begins with her thinking she's a normal every day girl, then discovering she has powers. The first half of the season was the other girls helping her out, as her powers seemed weak. Eventually she learned the full potential of her abilities and is pretty much a one man wrecking machine.

By season 3, she's very strong willed and isn't scared in the slightest of facing her enemies, or the unknown. She just jumps in head first like a real hero. Even on her own.

And then there's Layla. She's such a strong character a lot of fans joke she's a lesbian. She's also the only character that doesn't have a boyfriend, as she believes it's not necessary to be happy.

*gobo* · 09-11-2007, 04:14 AM

Well, I have seen Winx a number of times because I was too lazy to change the channel, but it's not for me. It bores me and the animation looks like they tried to cut corners by having about 15 frames per second. I wouldn't ridicule anyone for watching it though.

Plus, if Michi calls me up this December, and says, "Hey, gobo. Wanna hop a plane with me to Italy for the premiere of the Winx movie?", I'd be there... mostly because I'd be scared to tell him "no".

What I've always wondered is why people always assume that anything with a team of magical girls is a Sailor Moon clone. While Sailormoon might have been the ground-breaking and definitive 'magical girl' series, I assume it was hardly the first.

And, if Winx was girlied-up for the US, I think that's the exact opposite of what they did with Sailor Moon. Have you ever heard the original Japanese music cues for that show? The Canadian music is what turned it from a "Jem & The Holograms" type glam/drama into a "Powerpuff Girls" type action/adventure.

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look at Bratz. Yuck! Not only are they lying around looking pretty

Those things are supposed to be pretty? They look like the daughters of cheap prostitutes. I had no idea they were supposed to be less than tacky...

**GK Punk** · 09-11-2007, 05:04 AM

Actually, I've seen the entire Japanese series of Sailor Moon, as well as the English adaption(s.) That show couldn't possibly get more girl'd up than it already was.

But what I meant was the episodes were edited in a way similar to the US edit of Sailor Moon. Such as a scene was removed in an Ep of Sailor Moon when Rei slapped Usagi to get her to snap out of depression. A scene was removed from US Winx Club where Musa gets fed up with Stormy, and slaps her hard across the face.

Other cases of that would also include complete re-writes, as well as episodes Jumble. The Italian version features an episode in Season 2 that re-starts the Musa/Stormy rivalry. The episode before it has a brief scene that shows Stormy and Musa having a bit of a Run in with eachother. The next episode expanded on it including them battling.

The US Version edited that all in to one episode, removing the build up to the confrontation. Another would be an Episode where Stella (<3) is bitchy to everyone for no reason. She was in a bad mood the entire episode and took it out on everyone. The US Version changed the dialogue to say "Stella upset some seniors so they spelled her."

Sailor Moon went through a good number of similar changes.

I Know mah Sailor Moon

Been a fan even before the DiC dub was made.

It's part of why I like Winx. it kind of gives me a nostalgia for watching Sailor Moon in some ways.

As for the Sailor Moon knock off comparison, I'd say it's inspired, but not a knock off. The Magical Girl genre pre-dates sailor moon by almost 30 years. Sailor Moon was modeled after a combination of Magical Girl anime, and Sentai. (Piece of Trivia for you; Naoko Takeuchi designed it with hopes of a live action drama TV series. Which is why the Sailor Moon revival of 2003 was Live action.) Iginio Straffi very well could have based Winx's transformation idea off of several shows.

On top of that, the only real comparison is the Transformation bit. Sailor Moon was more of a hero-in-the-real-world kind of deal. They concealed their identities. Alfea studends in Winx have no secret Identities. They use their magic to grow their wings, and every girl that attends Alfea can do it. (As the show rarely takes place on earth.)

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen.

Oh yeah, I forgot one of the points. When people ask me what Winx Club is like, i compare it to Harry Potter with Fairies. That's basically what the show is.

*Drtooth* · 09-11-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen..

Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

**GK Punk** · 09-11-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Yeah, but Tuxedo Kamen< Action Kamen.... I just wanted to be weird.

I just don't like it for multiple reasons. I do think 4Kids girlyed it by putting the "Don't touch the hair" line in the song.

Oh god. I hate the US theme. The music in the Italian one is generally better overall. The Transform music is pure win.

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But an underrated series made by this Italian firm? Funky Cops. I hate to admit it, but 4Kids did a quality dub for this one. It was so smooth I thought it was an inhouse production (plus the artwork kinda looked like TMNT). If they dubbed the rest of their shows as good as they did with Funky Cops, no one would hate them as much. Too bad it last 4 episodes cuz the target audience was too young to get the satire of it all.

I actually forgot completely about that show. I need to watch it again, I barely remember it.

*Drtooth* · 09-11-2007, 01:05 PM

Well, the original music is usually better than the American dub stuff... though I can't lie. I did like the US Kirby theme better than both Japanese ones (I love the second JP ending though).

Anyway, I loved Funky Cops, myself. The first episode where the villain was Paul Williams. Funny, bizzare stuff. Though I think the "End of Disco" episode was pretty campy for the show to do. I was pretty disappointed that out of 40 something episodes, they barely showed 10.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-12-2007, 01:22 PM

I am saddened to see Winx Club go. I really enjoyed it and thought it was awesome. This is the second show on 4Kids that has been pulled. Shaman King was pulled also, and I liked that one a lot, too. Oh, well. Now I just won't have to get up at seven on Saturday mornings after Winx ends, unless they show reruns. I did miss one ep.

09-11-2007, 01:05 PM	#7
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Well, the original music is usually better than the American dub stuff... though I can't lie. I did like the US Kirby theme better than both Japanese ones (I love the second JP ending though). Anyway, I loved Funky Cops, myself. The first episode where the villain was Paul Williams. Funny, bizzare stuff. Though I think the "End of Disco" episode was pretty campy for the show to do. I was pretty disappointed that out of 40 something episodes, they barely showed 10. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

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09-10-2007, 01:11 PM	#2
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	See, that's what I hated about Winx Club. I saw it once when it debuted and I assumed that's what the characters were like. After giving it a chance I learned the girls are A LOT stronger than it looks like on the Surface. The story has pretty much revolved around showing how much Growth Bloom has done as a person. The first season begins with her thinking she's a normal every day girl, then discovering she has powers. The first half of the season was the other girls helping her out, as her powers seemed weak. Eventually she learned the full potential of her abilities and is pretty much a one man wrecking machine. By season 3, she's very strong willed and isn't scared in the slightest of facing her enemies, or the unknown. She just jumps in head first like a real hero. Even on her own. And then there's Layla. She's such a strong character a lot of fans joke she's a lesbian. She's also the only character that doesn't have a boyfriend, as she believes it's not necessary to be happy.

09-11-2007, 05:04 AM	#4
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	Actually, I've seen the entire Japanese series of Sailor Moon, as well as the English adaption(s.) That show couldn't possibly get more girl'd up than it already was. But what I meant was the episodes were edited in a way similar to the US edit of Sailor Moon. Such as a scene was removed in an Ep of Sailor Moon when Rei slapped Usagi to get her to snap out of depression. A scene was removed from US Winx Club where Musa gets fed up with Stormy, and slaps her hard across the face. Other cases of that would also include complete re-writes, as well as episodes Jumble. The Italian version features an episode in Season 2 that re-starts the Musa/Stormy rivalry. The episode before it has a brief scene that shows Stormy and Musa having a bit of a Run in with eachother. The next episode expanded on it including them battling. The US Version edited that all in to one episode, removing the build up to the confrontation. Another would be an Episode where Stella (<3) is bitchy to everyone for no reason. She was in a bad mood the entire episode and took it out on everyone. The US Version changed the dialogue to say "Stella upset some seniors so they spelled her." Sailor Moon went through a good number of similar changes. I Know mah Sailor Moon Been a fan even before the DiC dub was made. It's part of why I like Winx. it kind of gives me a nostalgia for watching Sailor Moon in some ways. As for the Sailor Moon knock off comparison, I'd say it's inspired, but not a knock off. The Magical Girl genre pre-dates sailor moon by almost 30 years. Sailor Moon was modeled after a combination of Magical Girl anime, and Sentai. (Piece of Trivia for you; Naoko Takeuchi designed it with hopes of a live action drama TV series. Which is why the Sailor Moon revival of 2003 was Live action.) Iginio Straffi very well could have based Winx's transformation idea off of several shows. On top of that, the only real comparison is the Transformation bit. Sailor Moon was more of a hero-in-the-real-world kind of deal. They concealed their identities. Alfea studends in Winx have no secret Identities. They use their magic to grow their wings, and every girl that attends Alfea can do it. (As the show rarely takes place on earth.) Besides. The Specialists > Tuxedo Kamen. Oh yeah, I forgot one of the points. When people ask me what Winx Club is like, i compare it to Harry Potter with Fairies. That's basically what the show is.

09-12-2007, 01:22 PM	#8
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I am saddened to see Winx Club go. I really enjoyed it and thought it was awesome. This is the second show on 4Kids that has been pulled. Shaman King was pulled also, and I liked that one a lot, too. Oh, well. Now I just won't have to get up at seven on Saturday mornings after Winx ends, unless they show reruns. I did miss one ep.