Who liked Ninja Turtles The Next Mutation - Page 2

**HorseTechie** · 10-16-2002, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickokapo

Tatsu is not cute, he's an evil, eeeeeevil dancing master

But he iiiiis cute! I like it whent he guy wrinkles up his face and goes "Nnngh!"

Yes... I need help. But I still like that animation. It's as funny as Krangsu!

Oh yeah.. the TNM... I liked tyhe concept of it when it was in production, but as soon as I saw what Saban's quality is like. Ilk...

Like what Kali said, if someone with more creativity and passion directed that show, it would have been 75% more desireable.

Also liked the new designs for the shells, and the Hum-Vee... but they definately could have done without those funky full-face masks.

*Jade Green* · 10-16-2002, 09:24 AM

Despite how they portrayed Venus, and the corniness...
When I first saw it, I saw a lot of 'advantages' Fan fic wise: if there was one, why not more?
That's how I made up my concept of Maranda Ann Tezlof and the Mutant Militia...
*shrug* stupid, I do admit but... eh, it worked.

I think the mutant Militia concept could still work in a fan fic... if I can just get the plot right.
Was actually working on one (like, a few minutes a month >_&lt

, about how Maranda's life story... from when she lived with her aunt and uncle for one year... (she was in first grade) to her agreeing to a 'military school' just to get away from them... I'll say no more, I might actually write this fic some day.
(if you'll notice, I'm one to write several fics about the tmnt, and almost none of them connected.)

**Kali** · 10-16-2002, 09:33 AM

I saw tons of fan fics possibilities in TNM as well. Mostly because I thought I could do a helluva lot better with the idea than they could. It also inspired me to write Midori.

If you read the TMNT Letters from the period that they used Venus as a character, it was a lot better than the show. The characters actually grew and changed etc., etc. Venus wasn't near as annoying in those. Although she tended to use exclaimation points WAY too often.

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 09:38 AM

it was entertaining.... but very embarassing for the Turtles.

*Jade Green* · 10-16-2002, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

it was entertaining.... but very embarassing for the Turtles.

True, true...
if they had the costumes better, and if it was a bit darker... they could have done with out Silver... and maybe made Bonesteel smarter, meaner and oh, maybe a better name...

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 10:08 AM

it would have been better if they had just kept doing the animated series..... i really wanted to see where that 'new mutation' thing was headed... oh well, the past is past i suppose.

*Jade Green* · 10-16-2002, 10:14 AM

*mutters about how she didn't like the 'new' mutations*
Mike was able to like... appear human, right? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing?

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 10:27 AM

well, i was talking about the animated series in which they would all turn into hulk-like turtles.... but then the mutagen was balanced, so they got fixed up. but it was implied that this 'balancing' created some kinda 'super mutagen' and i woulda liked to see what happened with the turtles.

there was a fourth movie idea in which the turtles continued to mutate as well, and that is what you were talking about i believe. i got the impression that Mike just couldnt 'appear human' but that he had a range of psionic powers dealing with stealth and invisibility and illusion and stuff like that...

**Kali** · 10-16-2002, 10:34 AM

I wasn't to fond of the cartoon's "new mutations" in later eps either. Maybe it was just the way they dealt with it though. I don't remember much from those seasons.

Laird's planned "next mutations" for a fourth live action movie (way back a few years ago, see BFTP #36-40) were neat. Or at least most of them were. I liked Mike, Leo, and Don's. Raph's was okay, but they'd have to change Splinter's since they were so similar. I think Splinter should have been able to become invisible or blend into his surroundings.

Though I would hate to think of what Saban would have done with that idea. *shudders*

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 11:53 AM

i thought the cartoon mutations were neat.... but i would have liked to see what would happen to the tmnt with the 'super mutagen' in thier bloodstream. i woulda been kool if the transformed into somethin like thos Supermutants seen in the action figures and Japanese anime.

as you may have noticed, the Raphael 'mutation' for the proposed fourth movie actually became the standard mutation for all four of them in the animated series (hulk-like, basically). i prefer the movie proposal's unique mutations however: Leo can create a metallic armor like Colossus, Raph can turn into a crazy hulk-turtle, Don has great telepathic powers and has augmented himself with cybernetic enhancements (due to his eyes failing(, and Mike has psionic powers dealing with illusionism and the sort. Splinter they should have worked on some more, however. All the turtles' mutations seemed to match their characters quite well.

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 12:04 PM

i would lOVE to see the color scheme for Mike's new costume in the movie proposal. it could be either gay or totally cool. like if the shirt was white and the vest black that would look cool. and i wonder about the color of that bandana. is it like camouflauge or hippy or what?

MzTheInsomniac · 10-16-2002, 05:22 PM

why did they drop 'teenage mutant' from the name????

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 05:28 PM

they did that for the next mutation to show that the turtles are more 'grown up' now....... but the ironic part is that tnm was the most childish and immature media of the tmnt ever created.

the full teenage mutant title is currently used on all the other tmnt media (comics, animated series, toys).... i personally think they should drop it from the comics considering the turtles are like 28 in them.

Greed · 10-16-2002, 05:29 PM

The best thing were the figures

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 05:32 PM

if you say so.

MzTheInsomniac · 10-16-2002, 05:32 PM

they should keep the turtles young, in this case they don't get better with age

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 05:34 PM

uhh.... no.

you see, teenage mutant ninja turtles is basically a coming of age story. of course, they shouldnt have them grow up all at once or anything, but keeping them the same age completey ruins the depth of the story.

MzTheInsomniac · 10-16-2002, 06:10 PM

well woopty doo it was just a suggestion pal

**Kali** · 10-16-2002, 06:50 PM

Well, I like the stories of when the Turtles are young, although I'm also enjoying the older Turtles in the new Mirage books (and in fan fics.)

Watching the Turtles grow up makes for a wonderful story, but I'm glad they can also "rewind" and make the Turtles young again in a new universe. And keep them that age as long as they want, maybe the mutagen slows their aging.

TNM action figures were actually of pretty high quality, especially compared to the earlier figures. I wish I could have gotten some.

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 06:54 PM

I agree...

I LOVE hearing about the guys when they were young...I would figure that the mutagen WOULD slow the aging process, thus allowin the turtles to be teenagers for a longer period of time, and Splinter to stay more active in battle, and not with one foot in the grave...

10-16-2002, 09:24 AM	#22
Jade Green ReyeJaye Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,873	Despite how they portrayed Venus, and the corniness... When I first saw it, I saw a lot of 'advantages' Fan fic wise: if there was one, why not more? That's how I made up my concept of Maranda Ann Tezlof and the Mutant Militia... shrug stupid, I do admit but... eh, it worked. I think the mutant Militia concept could still work in a fan fic... if I can just get the plot right. Was actually working on one (like, a few minutes a month >_&lt, about how Maranda's life story... from when she lived with her aunt and uncle for one year... (she was in first grade) to her agreeing to a 'military school' just to get away from them... I'll say no more, I might actually write this fic some day. (if you'll notice, I'm one to write several fics about the tmnt, and almost none of them connected.)

10-16-2002, 09:38 AM	#24
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm it was entertaining.... but very embarassing for the Turtles. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 10:08 AM	#26
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ugh it would have been better if they had just kept doing the animated series..... i really wanted to see where that 'new mutation' thing was headed... oh well, the past is past i suppose. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 10:27 AM	#28
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	well.... well, i was talking about the animated series in which they would all turn into hulk-like turtles.... but then the mutagen was balanced, so they got fixed up. but it was implied that this 'balancing' created some kinda 'super mutagen' and i woulda liked to see what happened with the turtles. there was a fourth movie idea in which the turtles continued to mutate as well, and that is what you were talking about i believe. i got the impression that Mike just couldnt 'appear human' but that he had a range of psionic powers dealing with stealth and invisibility and illusion and stuff like that... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 11:53 AM	#30
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	awww i thought the cartoon mutations were neat.... but i would have liked to see what would happen to the tmnt with the 'super mutagen' in thier bloodstream. i woulda been kool if the transformed into somethin like thos Supermutants seen in the action figures and Japanese anime. as you may have noticed, the Raphael 'mutation' for the proposed fourth movie actually became the standard mutation for all four of them in the animated series (hulk-like, basically). i prefer the movie proposal's unique mutations however: Leo can create a metallic armor like Colossus, Raph can turn into a crazy hulk-turtle, Don has great telepathic powers and has augmented himself with cybernetic enhancements (due to his eyes failing(, and Mike has psionic powers dealing with illusionism and the sort. Splinter they should have worked on some more, however. All the turtles' mutations seemed to match their characters quite well. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 09:33 AM	#23
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I saw tons of fan fics possibilities in TNM as well. Mostly because I thought I could do a helluva lot better with the idea than they could. It also inspired me to write Midori. If you read the TMNT Letters from the period that they used Venus as a character, it was a lot better than the show. The characters actually grew and changed etc., etc. Venus wasn't near as annoying in those. Although she tended to use exclaimation points WAY too often.

10-16-2002, 10:14 AM	#27
Jade Green ReyeJaye Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,873	mutters about how she didn't like the 'new' mutations Mike was able to like... appear human, right? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing?

10-16-2002, 10:34 AM	#29
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I wasn't to fond of the cartoon's "new mutations" in later eps either. Maybe it was just the way they dealt with it though. I don't remember much from those seasons. Laird's planned "next mutations" for a fourth live action movie (way back a few years ago, see BFTP #36-40) were neat. Or at least most of them were. I liked Mike, Leo, and Don's. Raph's was okay, but they'd have to change Splinter's since they were so similar. I think Splinter should have been able to become invisible or blend into his surroundings. Though I would hate to think of what Saban would have done with that idea. shudders

10-16-2002, 12:04 PM	#31
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	of course.... i would lOVE to see the color scheme for Mike's new costume in the movie proposal. it could be either gay or totally cool. like if the shirt was white and the vest black that would look cool. and i wonder about the color of that bandana. is it like camouflauge or hippy or what? __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 05:22 PM	#32
MzTheInsomniac Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daaaaaaayton O hi O Posts: 680	why did they drop 'teenage mutant' from the name???? __________________ www.wheeljack.com BEETCH GO THERE!!!!

10-16-2002, 05:28 PM	#33
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem they did that for the next mutation to show that the turtles are more 'grown up' now....... but the ironic part is that tnm was the most childish and immature media of the tmnt ever created. the full teenage mutant title is currently used on all the other tmnt media (comics, animated series, toys).... i personally think they should drop it from the comics considering the turtles are like 28 in them. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 05:29 PM	#34
Greed Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago, ILL Posts: 931	The best thing were the figures

10-16-2002, 05:32 PM	#35
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	.... if you say so. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 05:34 PM	#37
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem no uhh.... no. you see, teenage mutant ninja turtles is basically a coming of age story. of course, they shouldnt have them grow up all at once or anything, but keeping them the same age completey ruins the depth of the story. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 06:10 PM	#38
MzTheInsomniac Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daaaaaaayton O hi O Posts: 680	well woopty doo it was just a suggestion pal __________________ www.wheeljack.com BEETCH GO THERE!!!!

10-16-2002, 06:50 PM	#39
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Well, I like the stories of when the Turtles are young, although I'm also enjoying the older Turtles in the new Mirage books (and in fan fics.) Watching the Turtles grow up makes for a wonderful story, but I'm glad they can also "rewind" and make the Turtles young again in a new universe. And keep them that age as long as they want, maybe the mutagen slows their aging. TNM action figures were actually of pretty high quality, especially compared to the earlier figures. I wish I could have gotten some.

10-16-2002, 06:54 PM	#40
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	I agree... I LOVE hearing about the guys when they were young...I would figure that the mutagen WOULD slow the aging process, thus allowin the turtles to be teenagers for a longer period of time, and Splinter to stay more active in battle, and not with one foot in the grave...

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