SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Mecha Cow]

And while I think it would be silly for Marth to get the boot...well...Ike DOES have a very slight variation of his moveset. I can't see them creating an entire new starting character like Ike, and then giving him a cloned moveset of an older character that would also end up being unlockable.

This is a fair argument, but if you've been keeping up with Ike in videos and impressions and such, you'll find he is not that much like Marth. He shares Marth's Counter move and his Standard and Up moves are slightly similar, but he's a slow and strong character (supposedly the slowest and strongest so far) whereas Marth was the complete opposite being a light and swift character. Whether or not Marth will end up in the game is anyone's guess, but Ike is not his clone.

[Peanut]

I know all of that, but the point still stands that his moveset is extremely similar. It's like saying Ganondorf isn't a Falcon clone. He plays entirely differently, but his moves are the same. And while Ike, of course, isn't even close to being an exact clone like Ganondorf, it's not like he has a totally original moveset either. That's the only part I'm trying to make. I don't think many would argue that Lucas is a completely different character from Ness, despite the fact that he has several moves that are much different when compared to Ike/Marth, yet everyone has already condemned Ness.

I want Marth to be in too, I enjoyed playing as him and did so quite often, but don't you think it's just a little odd? I guess there is only so much you can do with a sword wielder, but you'd expect a new starter to get an entirely new moveset, and not some rehashes off of an older character.

I honestly hope both Ness and Marth stay. Ness has been a staple in both the previous games, and I thought Marth was one of the best characters in Melee, so I hope all this speculation is incorrect.

[Dr. Doom]

I guess the article neither confirms or denies Marth, Roy or Ness. If you think about what these characters have in common though, it's not absurd to think that they'd put some focus on them regardless of whether or not they were included. Lucas and Ike are the only characters who so far have seemed to replace their predecessors in the starting line up of this game. It may just mean that the 3 of them have been bumped back to unlockable characters.

[Peanut]

I'd say Marth and Roy would have been unlockable characters either way. And Ness was unlockable previously, so it wouldn't be a shock to see him unlockable again in Brawl.

I still think Roy is a goner, though. He really wasn't all that popular, and the game just has too many sword wielders at this point.

And...does anyone have any thoughts on Mewtwo, I know he was a "clone" but he was an unusual one, with moves pulled from different characters and even some of his own stuff. It always felt to me like he was a character all on his own, and not a clone at all. It seems to be a conclusion many in the Smash community have already made that he's not coming back, but why? Does anyone else feel that way?

[Mecha Cow]

And while Ike, of course, isn't even close to being an exact clone like Ganondorf, it's not like he has a totally original moveset either.

I'm guessing you meant Marth.

I completely agree with what you're saying, it's just that I don't think the movesets are as similar as you do. I do think Lucas is a replacement for Ness (also because Lucas is Ness' replacement in the Mother series and because he was supposedly going to take Ness' place in Melee already), but I don't think Ike and Marth are similar enough (inside and outside of the context of SSB) for the same theory to fly.

We'll see I guess. Other than redundant characters like Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link and (arguably) Roy (that's pretty much all of them I guess) it wouldn't make much sense to take anyone out, especially if the game is going to have three zillion characters anyway.

*E* I'd definitely say Mewtwo is an original character. The similarities to other characters are vague at best, and his playstyle is totally unique. A lot of people seem to think that he's been replaced by Lucario for some reason.

[Peanut]

Which is something I'd love to understand. Where the hell did all of this Lucario hype come from?

The only thing I find worse than all the people clamoring for such a boring Pokemon are the losers who want Krystal and, all of a sudden, that idiot robot guy who was a trophy in Melee. I forget his name, but he's from Custom Robo.

[Mecha Cow]

Where the hell did all of this Lucario hype come from?

Out of someone's ass, no doubt. I guess the only reason I can see for people assuming Mewtwo is gone is because of the Pokemon Trainer making individually selectable Pokemon kind of redundant (aside from the iconic Pikachu). Then again, I've never heard anyone saying Jigglypuff is out.

And I'll take Ray MK II or whatever over Krystal anyday. Hell, I'll take a playable Jack Thompson over Krystal. Hmm, that would be cool, actually.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Jigglypuff is a Smash staple. I'm no fan, but the little pink balloon is always the first unlockable, so it's probably in. As for Lucario? I could give less of a crap about some random Pokemon who looks like the man child of M.C. Hammer and Hulkleberry Hound.

[Peanut]

Dude, Ai and I were just talking about this, why the f*ck don't you come on MSN anymore? Every night we get into an MSN chat with Cure and talk about Smash and other videogame sh*t, and you're nowhere to be found. Does no one else enjoying talking about our hobby? Are you all ASHAMED!? HUH!? F*ckers...

[Ra]

Wait...you guys are on MSN? Why the hell can't I see you whenever I'm on?

[Mecha Cow]

I don't even have most of you on my list. I guess I should...add you?

[Peanut]

Yes...YOU SHOULD!

And Ra, I have you on my list, but you never seem to come online. It's the same for a few of my friends, actually. I can't see them online, and they can't see me online, but we can still talk. It's weird.

[Ra]

Hm, odd. Maybe you have something that says "appear to be offline"? That's what I've been using from time to time. Just check next to your name when you log in. If it says "appear to be offline", I think that's your problem. If not...well, I really don't know.

[Peanut]

lul...I've been using MSN for like...you know...8 years? I know about appear offline. It's not anything like that. MSN has those kinds of problems from time to time.

[Ra]

You keep quiet! I want to look smart for once...

[Mecha Cow]

Guys, we've got something here. Possible spoilers, you have been warned.

Spoiler:

I'm stealing this from GAF who stole it from GameFaqs. Look at this and this. Remember how some stickers could only be used on certain characters? Look at the little icons at the bottom. The first picture shows Ness and another character (probably Lucas). The second picture clearly shows Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff and...Lucario. Also note how that's all the previous Pokemon characters besides Mewtwo and dead man Pichu. Guess those Lucario idiots were right after all.

These are supposedly from a video on the Japanese Wii site. The video is not loading at the moment so I can't confirm it but here's the link. Either way, this is looking very legit to me. I'm not jumping the gun just yet, but it seems as if Ness and Jigglypuff are back and Lucario has indeed replaced Mewtwo.

[Cure]

I don't even know who the hell Lucario is, so I did a google image search and got this.



Uh...OK.

[The Shelf]

What ever happened to Pokemon looking like "normal" animal and plant hybrids?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by TheCure

I don't even know who the hell Lucario is, so I did a google image search and got this.



Uh...OK.

Lucario = Man Child of M.C. Hammer and Kangaroo Jack

Anyway, that proves it indisputably. Ness, Jigglypuff, Lucario = confirmed.

[Ra]

I kind of like Lucario. Probably because it reminds me of Anubis from Ancient Egyptian mythology, but oh well. I'm going to look forward to seeing what it's going to look like in Brawl...