SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[The Shelf]

I believe there are 41 stages to choose from. I can't recall which ones, but they all sounded awesome. I have no idea about what music's available. I'd also like to know how many assist trophies there are and of which characters. If Tails and Knuckles aren't playable, then I hope they're at least assists.

Who will my mains be in Brawl? The same ones from Melee: Luigi, Mr. G&W, Falco, and Pikachu in that order. Plus Sonic, for sure. I can't say about any of the other new characters yet until I have tried them out. If Wolf is any good, then I may swap him in place of Falco. And King Dedede looks like a lot of fun to play, so I may add him to the list. Diddy Kong is a possibility. And I've always wanted to make Bowser a main, but I just couldn't do it in Melee. If they've improved his moves at all, then I'll try him again.

[Mecha Cow]

Why not?

Because he wasn't created by Nintendo, he isn't owned by Nintendo, he's not an acknowledged part of the Mario universe nor does he fit in the slightest, and his only appearance was in a terrible spinoff from twelve years ago. There's no point even debating about this, Geno is not part of the Mario 'cast'.

And even if your arguments and comparisons weren't horribly flawed, which they are, Geno just plain sucks.

As for me, I'll be returning to my old favorites Marth, Sheik, Mario, Cpt. Falcon, Ganondorf and Peach. I'm also looking forward to giving Pokemon Trainer, Pit, Ike and Snake a try, and even though I will probably suck as him, I can't wait to play as Toon Link.

[愛]

Uh, you didn't like Super Mario RPG?

As for me, I only played as Marth and Sheik in Melee. I'll probably give everyone a shot, but you can definitely find me as Sheik, unless they ruined her like they did Pikachu.

[Deathknight]

Anyone got a complete stage listing? I've been looking and haven't really been able to find one. I'm really hoping there's going to be more than 6 stages from Melee.

[Dr. Doom]

I'ts hard to say who I'll definitely be using of the new characters, but I'm looking forward to trying out just about all them, mainly Sonic, Snake, Meta Knight and Trainer. I'm sure I'll continue using my old favorite Falco and I'm interested to see what Wolf has to offer as well, and Samus and Luigi will probably also get quite a bit of play. I also used to use Dr. Mario and Roy a lot, so that will likely default to regular old Mario and Ike.

EDIT: I found this posted about Wolf on another forum I visit, indicating that he is very much a Luigi to Fox's Mario. I don't know how reliable it is, though.

UP B ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: fire fox. A charge followed by a flaming dash in the air.

Wolf: seems like a jetpack. NO CHARGE, just a sudden blast in any direction. This is comparable in difference to Luigi's up B and Mario's. Similar, yet different.

B ATTACK
----------------
Fox: blaster. It fires lasers at rapid speed. The lasers are thin and red and travel very fast.

Wolf: TOTALLY different animation. The lasers are nothing like Fox's. In fact, this move is more like Zero Suit Samus's stun gun. This move is actually not a copy of Fox's blaster at all. The animation is different, the effect is very different. This is a new move.

SIDE B ATTACK
---------------
Fox: Fox illusion. A speedy horizontal dash.

Wolf: Has a similar move, except it goes at a slight 25degree angle. This is indeed a "cloned" move.

DOWN B ATTACK
-------------------
Fox: reflector. It's blue and hexagonal. Hits opponents away.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Red and has blades that fan out on either side. This probably has much greater offensive power, yet nobody has managed to land it at close range yet. Seems unique enough to be considered a new move.

FORWARD SMASH ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: a leaping heel kick in Tae Kwon Do style. Moves Fox forward a bit.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. A lunging palm strike that covers a great deal of horizontal difference and has substantial lag afterwards, yet starts quickly. This is a totally new move, and is like a cross between Captain Falcon's Fsmash and the illusion move.

UP SMASH ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: flip kick. Covers a semi-circle above Fox's head starting in front of him.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. A jumping upside-down dropkick in the Capoera style that hits above him in a single motion, covering a lot more range above him and slightly to the side as his legs spin into position. Once again, massive range and is a totally unique move.

DOWN SMASH ATTACK
------------------
Fox: a split kick that hits on either side of Fox equally. Fast with lag.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Wolf swipes low with his claws, hitting in front of him first and then behind. A unique move that's similar in element to Link's down smash.

FORWARD TILT ATTACK
------------------------
Fox: does a quick roundhouse kick in front of him in Tae Kwon Do style.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Wolf claws at the opponent with a swing of his arm. Lots of lag and it seems almost like a smash attack in its speed and power. Once again...a unique move.

-----------------------
And that's all we've seen of Wolf as of yet, however, it's clear that he's not nearly worthy of the same "clone" title as people have been giving him just because of his red landmaster.

[Mecha Cow]

Uh, you didn't like Super Mario RPG?

It's a decent game, but it doesn't feel like a Mario game at all and I think it's vastly overrated. Paper Mario all the way.

Looks like Falco got some changes too. There's still some Fox in there, but some of his moves are different.

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, I saw that...I've been finding it very hard to notice what characters are doing in these YouTube videos, but I can very plainly see that his reflector sheild gets shot out a short distance in front of him, for one.

EDIT: After watching that Wolf gameplay video again, I can see that B attack special is a single, slow shot and I also noticed his "upside-down dropkick" up smash.

[Krueger]

Who didn't see this coming? I'll wait for the North American version.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Smash-Bros...QQcmdZViewItem

[The Shelf]

The more I see, the more I feel that all these "clones" that people think Brawl has are actually all Luigified, which is fine in my book. Wolf sounds like he'll play totally different from Fox beyond the basics, and even Falco is getting a little Luigification treatment. I've heard Ganondorf has as well. It's things like this that make me smile when I recall all the people who like to over-react. Hype is a wicked thing.

[Peanut]

I'm glad that many of the clone characters are beginning to look like they've got some good variations in their movesets. However, I don't care how different Wolf is, he's still a complete waste of a roster spot. ROB makes more sense than he does.

Anyways, in Melee I used to play as Link, Mario and Ness a lot; with Marth, G&W, and Ganondorf being my other favourites to play as. I'm planning on using WW (Toon is so stupid. I hope they call him Young Link here) Link, Lucas, and Mario a lot in Brawl, and I really want to try out Pokemon Trainer and Olimar a whole lot.

As far as stages go, the most anyone has unlocked is 40, I believe. There's apparently 41 or more, because no one has gotten the "You've unlocked all the stages" screen, but I don't know if anyone has gotten it yet. I haven't checked much today, so it's likely that someone has.

[Cure]

I wanna use Sonic and my old favorite Pikachu. I like to switch it up constantly, though.

It sucks Luigi doesn't have his Poltergust, though.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by TheCure

It sucks Luigi doesn't have his Poltergust, though.

Seriously though, what's up with his Final Smash? Does anyone know what that's from? Is it a Luigi's Mansion thing?

[Mecha Cow]

I figured Luigi would have his Poltergust instead of Mario's FLUDD. Do we even know what his Down B move is yet?

And his FS is not from Luigi's Mansion. I have no idea what it's supposed to be, but damn if it isn't totally awesome.

[Dr. Doom]

Do we KNOW he doesn't have the Poltergust?

If he doesn't, I'd personally love to see some sort of reference to Mario & Luigi. Maybe some sort of Lightning power. Or maybe he still just has the spinning move?

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Do we KNOW he doesn't have the Poltergust?

If he doesn't, I'd personally love to see some sort of reference to Mario & Luigi. Maybe some sort of Lightning power. Or maybe he still just has the spinning move?

Yeah, it's still the tornado. It's what I've read, anyway, on multiple forums.

[Deathknight]

Well, has anyone heard about any returning Melee stages besides the 6 of the Dojo?

[The Shelf]

Originally Posted by Peanut

However, I don't care how different Wolf is, he's still a complete waste of a roster spot. ROB makes more sense than he does.

First of all, that's your opinion. Many people disagree. I can think of characters I'd rather have instead of ROB and Wolf too. Big whoop.

Originally Posted by Peanut

I'm planning on using WW (Toon is so stupid. I hope they call him Young Link here)

Hehe, they should call him Fox-y Link 'cause he's quick like Fox! >)

Seriously, though, WW/Toon/Young/Foxy Link's moves have been totally amped up in speed. His up-smash has only one sword swing instead of three so you can combo it easier, his down-air falls much faster, and I believe he shoots arrows more quickly than before. Young Link should be much more fun to play in Brawl, and he was already loads of fun in Melee to begin with.

Regarding Luigi, his Poltergust is definitely out (unless it's an item). All of his moves are the same as Melee, but they've been tweaked for the better. For instance, his dash move has more knockback, his down-special is easier to get airborne, his up-special goes slightly forward instead of straight up, and he has more traction for easier control since wave-dashing has been removed from the game. Oh, and his fireball appears to be slightly bigger, and Luigi seems to recover more quickly after shooting it which should make the fireball more viable as a projectile. I am a happy Luigi fan indeed.

Rumor has it that Luigi's final smash comes from Super Mario World (I think -- might have been another game). It's from a mansion where the spotlights kill you when they touch you. Obviously, the effect is much different in Brawl, but it's the closest thing there is to it. I can't wait to hit people with some up-specials after his final smash. That move was so hard to pull off successfully in Melee, but his final smash should make it way more valuable.

EDIT: Here's a stage list that someone compiled on smashboards.com

Here is a list of all of the stages:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Mushroomy Kingdom [Overworld/Underworld]
Mario Circuit
Rumble Falls
Bridge of Eldin
Great Sea
Norfair
Frigate Orpheon
Yoshi's Island
Battleship Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Pokemon Stadium 2
Spear Pillar
Port Town
Castle Siege
Wario Ware
Distant Planet
Smashville
New Pork City
The Summit
Skyworld
Mario Bros.
Flat Zone 2
Pictochat
Electroplankton
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone

PAST STAGES
Rainbow Ride
Temple
Brinstar
Yoshi's Island
Corneria
Big Blue
Onett
Green Greens
Pokemon Stadium
Jungle Japes

There are 41 stages in the game. However, one is still unknown. Does anybody know of a stage that is not on this list?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Rainbow Ride
Temple
Brinstar
Yoshi's Island
Corneria
Big Blue
Onett
Green Greens
Pokemon Stadium
Jungle Japes


Those account for all my favorite Melee stages (Big Blue/Yoshi's Island tie for first), so consider me pleased in that regard. Still, it sucks that there are no N64 stages included. Do you know if that list of stages is from someone in the process of unlocking stuff, or is it ripped from the ISO?

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by The Shelf

First of all, that's your opinion. Many people disagree. I can think of characters I'd rather have instead of ROB and Wolf too. Big whoop.

I never said it was a fact, did I? And sure, many people will disagree, but I guarantee you there are more people angry about his inclusion than people who like it.

Star Fox doesn't need, and more importantly, doesn't deserve 3 reps. That point just can't be argued. At all.

[The Shelf]

I don't think the guy who compiled the list actually has the game, but he based it off the info coming from people who have. That's why he left off the 41st stage because apparently no one has unlocked it yet. But yeah, I've heard from several people that there are no N64 maps, but that doesn't bother me because there weren't many good ones, imo.