tmnt and religio-spirituality

[heretic888]

And while I also really like Ken Wilbur, his analysis of psychospiritual growth is but one of many systems, and like all of them, purely theoretical. These are models to work from to help us understand our interior landscape, but just like the the lines delineating different nations on a map, they don't really exist. It's just a tool for communicating ideas.

Perhaps theory, but unlike some other systems, KW's has a whole assload of empirical evidence supporting it!!! They dont exist in the external, physical sense--- but that is not to say they are imaginary. I find it rather odd that all of creation seems to follow an evolutionary growth pattern that 'doesnt exist'.

Have you studied the Enneagram, Heretic? I actually find that system more useful than many because the types dovetail so sweetly into the DSM IV, you can actually use it as a diagnostic tool.
I'm thinking Raph is an Eight point, Leo a Three (or a One, haven't really decided), Mike a perfect Seven, and Donatello a Five.....

No, i havent studied the system you are referring to. Could you clarify it a bit, or direct me to a site or resource that does??? What does a 'perfect seven' and all that mean exactly???? I am intrigued.....

No ranking in terms of spiritual development here-- each has their own challenges and virtues.

Well, there IS a ranking in spiritual development. Some people ARE more developed than others. I, for example, am less developed than, say, the Dalai Lama but more developed than a five year old. This is NOT to say that some people are instrinsically better than others, only that some people have realized more of their psychological potential than others and are more 'awake'. All lives have equal worth, though.

as everyone else mutters, "what the hell is she talking about...?

heh, welcome to the club, babe.