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Old 10-15-2008, 12:08 AM   #1
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hahahahaha! I love this topic!

This example here is perfect to show the TERROR in the hearts of the North American culture. I just came back from working in Boston for two weeks. I had a chance to have some great political talks with some very smart people. We never spoke of this subject but I am sure he was agianst it. The underlying problem in our cultures is FEAR! But its NOT fear of gays its this stupid fear like this last person was saying "if this changes, everything will change" same goes for public health care. I have now met American's who ACTUALLY don't want it because they are TERRRRRRIFIED of Socialist values because, god forbid!! that might be mean your communist! hahaha

People in general are ignorant, they know little of the rest of the world and they are TERRIFIED of anything different or they don't understand, so if the opiate of the masses suggests something is wrong well lets shut it DOWN!

And yes I agree with the European, the Church and State are getting closer which is sending America into a new dark age and working backwards in a horrific land slide no one is aware of.
If you think that creating same sex marriage won't encourage other groups to push for polygamy etc., you're crazy. Why wouldn't they say, "If gays have the right to marry, then our definition of marriage is our right too"? US law, as far as I know, has always defined marriage as between one man and one woman, with the other examples I have mentioned never being permitted. Why bother redefining marriage in the US when we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by it?

Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:06 AM   #2
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Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.
This is exactly what I wanted to avoid, because unlike you I don't think in terms of 'us' and 'them'. Congratulations, you're a walking stereotype.

I also love how your only argument against gay marriage is based on semantics. Really, good show. Also, stop posting. Thanks.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:52 PM   #3
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I've been thinking about what Chi-ha said. While I don't agree with it, I do see a point in part of the reasoning. Polygamy is deemed acceptable in several places in the world, as in a handful of religions. For what reason could we still disallow it when we're about to change the nation definition of marriage anyway? It would simply be a consensual union of legally mature people, right?
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:35 PM   #4
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I've been thinking about what Chi-ha said. While I don't agree with it, I do see a point in part of the reasoning. Polygamy is deemed acceptable in several places in the world, as in a handful of religions. For what reason could we still disallow it when we're about to change the nation definition of marriage anyway? It would simply be a consensual union of legally mature people, right?
Why to disallow it, actually?

It's better to marry a new wife with keeping an old one rather than kicking the old one out, non? And this is how it functions on the monogamous societies now.

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... uhm, this is actually what the said scroll says, basically.

All the boundaries came within the following centuries.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:40 PM   #5
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Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.
... says the guy who claims Nelson Mandela has two wives and suggests gay marriages are a straight way to the legalization of pedophilia and bestiality.
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... says the guy who claims Nelson Mandela has two wives and suggests gay marriages are a straight way to the legalization of pedophilia and bestiality.
I looked up Nelson Mandela. A news report I saw about his 90th birthday said he had two wives. However, I looked up Wikipedia, and it said he was married three times, but not with more than one at a time. So I admit I don't know for sure.

One thing I do know, though...the nation that was the first to create gay marriage is also the home of many porn websites, and quite a variety of porn at that, to put it delicately...
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:49 PM   #7
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If you think that creating same sex marriage won't encourage other groups to push for polygamy etc., you're crazy. Why wouldn't they say, "If gays have the right to marry, then our definition of marriage is our right too"? US law, as far as I know, has always defined marriage as between one man and one woman, with the other examples I have mentioned never being permitted. Why bother redefining marriage in the US when we have nothing to gain and everything to lose by it?

Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.
You bring a whole new meaning to the term "bible humper".

You must have been sheltered as a kid, or raised in the South. You lost the war remember?

And hey just because it's not legal to marry doesn't mean all the red necks will stop inbreeding. Though as we can see that never turns out well.

Do you go to abortion clinics too and tell women what to do with their own bodies or are you one of the guys who stands outside of concerts and tells me I'm going to hell?

Leave your cave, the sun light might be scary but it's a lot more entertaining out here.
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:15 PM   #8
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Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.

I love this part because we don't "think we know" You are setting your own image up for the rest of the world to see. When a person like mayself is spending a lot of time in a lot of different parts of a country you get a good view of the 'big picture' We see nothing but America on TV, in the news, and we learn your history in our class rooms. Tell me you know something about the rest of the world and I'll listen.

Again I don't bash a person of faith if that is what they feel is right to have faith in, BUT don't knock on my door and tell me my "choices" or views are wrong because guess what it is a free country you can believe what you want and the state is NOT religious (yet) so your 'faiths' definition of mairage is your own, not the country's

And I would agree with the last person there, and shame on anyone who thinks differently. Homosexuality is NOT a choice that is a proven fact. So if you are that worried about your own gods view of another person... well you better grab your pitch fork and lets have a burnin!

Love is love, I am proud to live in a world where people can be free like that! But I am yet to meat a person of faith who practices what they preach.
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:35 PM   #9
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I love this part because we don't "think we know" You are setting your own image up for the rest of the world to see. When a person like mayself is spending a lot of time in a lot of different parts of a country you get a good view of the 'big picture' We see nothing but America on TV, in the news, and we learn your history in our class rooms. Tell me you know something about the rest of the world and I'll listen.

Again I don't bash a person of faith if that is what they feel is right to have faith in, BUT don't knock on my door and tell me my "choices" or views are wrong because guess what it is a free country you can believe what you want and the state is NOT religious (yet) so your 'faiths' definition of mairage is your own, not the country's

And I would agree with the last person there, and shame on anyone who thinks differently. Homosexuality is NOT a choice that is a proven fact. So if you are that worried about your own gods view of another person... well you better grab your pitch fork and lets have a burnin!

Love is love, I am proud to live in a world where people can be free like that! But I am yet to meat a person of faith who practices what they preach.
I cannot vouch for what you know about America, but I've met non-Americans who had a surprisingly unrealistic view of what the US is like, presumably based on watching TV programs and selected news stories. In fact, I took a mass communications class where the professor told us that the poorer nations of the world are unhappy about the fact that the internation news media only mentions them when there is war or natural disaster or other negative things happening. Does watching "Benny Hill" make you an expert on Britain?

As far as the definition of marriage, religion has nothing to do with it. It is a matter of the law of the land, as it has always been, at least in the US. We can legally restrict or allow who can marry who any way we like, and that goes for any other nation as well.
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