But Eastman and Laird, where are they?

Supermik · 02-01-2003, 11:08 AM

I read some TMNT news on the official web site, i understand that Eastman and Laird don't help Mirage studios to create the new Series. Is it true?
If it's true when they stopped to help M. S.? i don't read it.

Why they allow Mirage studios to change, so deeply, the cartoon?

I think the new series and the new toys are horrible!

i'm for the old era.

BigThew · 02-01-2003, 11:37 AM

what are you talking about

i thought laird was heavily involved with the toys and the show

Supermik · 02-01-2003, 11:48 AM

Excuse me, but i know a very little english.

I undestood so in the official site. I can make a mistake!

Aztec General · 02-01-2003, 02:04 PM

Kevin Eastman has sold his interest in TMNT to Peter Laird. Peter Laird is now the sole owner of the franchise. He is a "Creative Consultant" in the new series. He wrote/approved a great deal of the episodes this season. The new show will be based off of the Mirage comics. Peter Laird is also over seeing the new TMNT merchandise and writing and shading the new TMNT comic from Mirage.

The old show, the Archie comics, and Next Mutation are dead and buried. I wish everyone would please accept this. You don't have to like it (as myself and other Mirage fans do) but please accept it. It's annoying to see every other post about "Where's Bebop?", "No Technodrome?", "I hope they eat a lot of pizza", or "Ninjara in the New Toon?". I really don't mean to come off like a jerk, but it is getting redundant and not to mention annoying.

Mondo_Gecko · 02-01-2003, 02:16 PM

Ratking i think the reason why there's so many posts concerning the old Cartoon, Archie and its Characters is that most of us grew up with that. That it is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to us. Thats what we grew up with and that's what we remember. I only found out about Mirage like a year ago. Now I have accepted that the new toon is radically diffrent from the TMNT i know and love but I will always miss that. The Turtles eating pizza, Hamato Yoshi muating into a rat named Splinter, The Turtle Van, The Technodrome, Bebop & Rocksteady & Krang are all things i associate with TMNT, and i always will Most of my friends and people i know feel the same.

I'm looking forward to the new toon and i think i'll enjoy it, but to me its like a remake or a reimaging of the Turtles. Because it's a diffrent TMNT that i know and grew up with.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-01-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat King

The old show, the Archie comics, and Next Mutation are dead and buried. I wish everyone would please accept this.

I think the term you're looking for in terms of the old toon is "underground" (and maybe the Archie comic too).

You say you're tired of all these newbies asking "Where's Bebop?" yada yada. I'll tell you what I'M tired of: "Comic loyalists" like you bashing the old cartoon and the fans of it.

[sarcasm]NEWS FLASH: WE HAVE JUST RECIEVED INFORMATION THAT THERE ARE INDEED THOSE WHO ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT ABOUT THE ORIGINAL MIRAGE SERIES (MAINLY THOSE AROUND THE AGES 18-25) THAT GREW UP WITH THE ORIGINAL CARTOON AND TOY LINE ONLY! COULD THIS LEAD TO A TMNT FAN CIVIL WAR?[/sarcasm]

My point is, yes, you are coming off as a jerk, just as anarchistguy and anybody else giving lip about the original toon. If you don't like those posts, then simply DON'T READ THEM!.

I can't stress this enough times either: a TRUE TMNT fan is not one who likes the Mirage series ONLY nor one who likes the original cartoon ONLY, but rather one who loves both Mirage and original cartoon with the same unbridled passion.

Don't get me wrong, I look forward to this new series (ONLY ONE WEEK TO GO!!!!!) just as much as the next hardcore TMNT fan. It will be damn nice to see the way it should've been, and I'll be more than glad to call myself a "turtlemaniac" once again, and this time I'll have the chance to do so!

So stop the TMNT hate and can't we all just get along?

(One final message to you comic loyalists: if you hate the original cartoon so much, why are you even a member of this site, which is based off the first toon?)[/b]

*Anarchistguy* · 02-01-2003, 02:37 PM

What? you thought I wasn't gonna read what you just said. Just who the hell do you think you are, motherf*****?

*Jephael* · 02-01-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

I can't stress this enough times either: a TRUE TMNT fan is not one who likes the Mirage series ONLY nor one who likes the original cartoon ONLY, but rather one who loves both Mirage and original cartoon with the same unbridled passion.

Now that's what I've been trying to say all along, but I'm abit too passive to say it that way.

Supermik · 02-01-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anarchistguy

What? you thought I wasn't gonna read what you just said. Just who the hell do you think you are, motherf*****?

Ehi amico, piano con gli insulti, con chi cazzo ce l'hai?

(For What person do you write so?)

**Kali** · 02-01-2003, 02:53 PM

Okay, don't turn this thread into an arguement. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions. What really gets annoying is when people feel the need to have the same debate over and over again. This is the hundredth time we've had this Mirage comics/New cartoon vs. Old cartoon/Archie arguement. This debate is what's really dead. And beaten at that.

I really wish people would focus more on the essence of TMNT rather than the different universes. If these debates/arguements continue being disruptive, we're going to have to make rules concerning them, and we really don't want to have to do that.

Mondo_Gecko · 02-01-2003, 02:55 PM

I think Jeph and Rez got it down right. Theres room for all TMNT LOVE be it the the Mirage, Old Cartoon, Archie, Next Mutation, or the New Cartoon. Diffrent people like diffrent things and its ok to love it. But is not cool to go around bashing and making fun and saying somethings stupid cuz u don't like it. Like Rez said if u don't like it don't post.

Sparvid · 02-01-2003, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reznorite420

(One final message to you comic loyalists: if you hate the original cartoon so much, why are you even a member of this site, which is based off the first toon?)[/b]

Now, I don't hate the cartoon, but my answer to this is: It's the best TMNT forum I've ever seen!

beaker · 02-01-2003, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat King

Kevin Eastman has sold his interest in TMNT to Peter Laird. Peter Laird is now the sole owner of the franchise.

The old show, the Archie comics, and Next Mutation are dead and buried. I wish everyone would please accept this. You don't have to like it (as myself and other Mirage fans do) but please accept it. It's annoying to see every other post about "Where's Bebop?", "No Technodrome?", "I hope they eat a lot of pizza", or "Ninjara in the New Toon?". I really don't mean to come off like a jerk, but it is getting redundant and not to mention annoying.

Wow, the above is news to me about Laird solely owning it. Wonder why that happened. And yeah, sorry to say folks...but Venus, Bebop, Vernon, and all the other reject mishaps from the ill begotten past are dead and buried. TMNT 2, TMNT 3, TNM, Archie, etc...all but a memory.

Long live the new show and the new TMNT revolution!
It's called evolution baby! Move on!

Also just wanna say I CANT STAND the new Mirage series...makes the Archie series look like the Dark Knight Returns. Thank goodness Pat Lee and Dreamwave are making a new modern take!
It's called evolution baby! Move on!

Donatello02 · 02-01-2003, 05:23 PM

NEVER mess with Bebop you muppet reject.

beaker · 02-01-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello02

NEVER mess with Bebop you muppet reject.

Heh, well I will admit...I LOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEE the TMNT arcade game, and have fodn memories of Bebop and Rocksteady like everyone else. HELL, the OLD theme song is light years cooler than the new one...but still,
its definately time to move onto bigger and better things.

*That Matt Guy* · 02-01-2003, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anarchistguy

What? you thought I wasn't gonna read what you just said. Just who the hell do you think you are, motherf*****?

Oh yeah that's real mature.

Prowl · 02-01-2003, 05:57 PM

I'm for both, but I always prefered the comic (perhaps because I was a little older than the target audience

). But I do own a crapload of the old cartoons, and did enjoy them, but now I feel it's the comic book's time to get some of the limelight. One more week.

Donatello02 · 02-01-2003, 06:04 PM

It'd be cool if they did the new show based on the IMAGE comic turtles. Man, that would be some violent ish. Bahahah.

*Deathknight* · 02-01-2003, 07:04 PM

I too hate people who bash the old cartoon. You're a not a "true" fan if you only like a specific tmnt universe, everyone is a true fan if they like any part of it. I'd like to know who here actually read the comics when they first came out and didn't just read them cause they liked the cartoons and movies. I do not think the numbers would be too high if any at all. I have read some of the tmnt mirage and it is cool but I will always love the cartoon the most. It's what I grew up on and I will never forget those days. Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang are characters that I will truely miss in the new cartoon. They always could give me a good laugh. And I can understand why people might dislike them because they prefer it more serious which is why I loved the 1st TMNT movie. A perfect blend between the comics and cartoon. Plenty of action and great comedy, a movie that none of us will forget. I don't know how well the new cartoon is going to do but I hope it's good and they at least show some respect for fans of the cartoon. I just wish that we could all just get along and stop making fun of each other just because we like different TMNT universes better. It all depends on what you liked about TMNT the most and you should respect that.

beaker · 02-01-2003, 07:20 PM

I have very very fond memories of the cartoon, loved it for the first couple seasons(reruns of seasone one were my fave) The TMNT arcade game really epitomizes that cool era.

My comment is that as nice as the cartoon was at the time, its time for a revamped, new evolution based off the original comic and that is precisely what they have done. Obviously after a few seasons the TMNT cartoon went pretty south, if not before. And the Archie comics thing(at least the first year I read it) ouch!

Basically nostalgia is nice, but when I go to a website I want to see either the new TMNT look reflected or the more serious TMNT Mirage stuff...seeing continuously on the official site the 'rounded headed goofy cartoon' version just doesnt do it for me in thsi day and age. So yeah, I love the late 80's as much as the next guy, but its defintately time for a new era...one week to go! ^_^

02-01-2003, 11:08 AM	#1
Supermik Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 286	But Eastman and Laird, where are they? I read some TMNT news on the official web site, i understand that Eastman and Laird don't help Mirage studios to create the new Series. Is it true? If it's true when they stopped to help M. S.? i don't read it. Why they allow Mirage studios to change, so deeply, the cartoon? I think the new series and the new toys are horrible! i'm for the old era. __________________ Is there a problem?! Supermik solve it... COWABUNGA, AMIGOS! Supermik

02-01-2003, 11:48 AM	#3
Supermik Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 286	Excuse Excuse me, but i know a very little english. I undestood so in the official site. I can make a mistake! __________________ Is there a problem?! Supermik solve it... COWABUNGA, AMIGOS! Supermik

02-01-2003, 02:04 PM	#4
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Kevin Eastman has sold his interest in TMNT to Peter Laird. Peter Laird is now the sole owner of the franchise. He is a "Creative Consultant" in the new series. He wrote/approved a great deal of the episodes this season. The new show will be based off of the Mirage comics. Peter Laird is also over seeing the new TMNT merchandise and writing and shading the new TMNT comic from Mirage. The old show, the Archie comics, and Next Mutation are dead and buried. I wish everyone would please accept this. You don't have to like it (as myself and other Mirage fans do) but please accept it. It's annoying to see every other post about "Where's Bebop?", "No Technodrome?", "I hope they eat a lot of pizza", or "Ninjara in the New Toon?". I really don't mean to come off like a jerk, but it is getting redundant and not to mention annoying. __________________

02-01-2003, 02:37 PM	#7
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	What? you thought I wasn't gonna read what you just said. Just who the hell do you think you are, motherf****? __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"*

02-01-2003, 05:23 PM	#14
Donatello02 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 503	NEVER mess with Bebop you muppet reject. __________________ 'What ninja weapon did Don get? A stickball bat. Hey, you can call it a 'bo'. But you can call it a Ford Tempo too...it's still just a stick.'

02-01-2003, 11:37 AM	#2
BigThew Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 574	what are you talking about i thought laird was heavily involved with the toys and the show

02-01-2003, 02:16 PM	#5
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Ratking i think the reason why there's so many posts concerning the old Cartoon, Archie and its Characters is that most of us grew up with that. That it is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles to us. Thats what we grew up with and that's what we remember. I only found out about Mirage like a year ago. Now I have accepted that the new toon is radically diffrent from the TMNT i know and love but I will always miss that. The Turtles eating pizza, Hamato Yoshi muating into a rat named Splinter, The Turtle Van, The Technodrome, Bebop & Rocksteady & Krang are all things i associate with TMNT, and i always will Most of my friends and people i know feel the same. I'm looking forward to the new toon and i think i'll enjoy it, but to me its like a remake or a reimaging of the Turtles. Because it's a diffrent TMNT that i know and grew up with.

02-01-2003, 02:53 PM	#10
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Okay, don't turn this thread into an arguement. Everyone's allowed to have their own opinions. What really gets annoying is when people feel the need to have the same debate over and over again. This is the hundredth time we've had this Mirage comics/New cartoon vs. Old cartoon/Archie arguement. This debate is what's really dead. And beaten at that. I really wish people would focus more on the essence of TMNT rather than the different universes. If these debates/arguements continue being disruptive, we're going to have to make rules concerning them, and we really don't want to have to do that.

02-01-2003, 02:55 PM	#11
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	I think Jeph and Rez got it down right. Theres room for all TMNT LOVE be it the the Mirage, Old Cartoon, Archie, Next Mutation, or the New Cartoon. Diffrent people like diffrent things and its ok to love it. But is not cool to go around bashing and making fun and saying somethings stupid cuz u don't like it. Like Rez said if u don't like it don't post.

02-01-2003, 05:57 PM	#17
Prowl Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 191	I'm for both, but I always prefered the comic (perhaps because I was a little older than the target audience ). But I do own a crapload of the old cartoons, and did enjoy them, but now I feel it's the comic book's time to get some of the limelight. One more week. __________________ "You can run but you can't hide!"

02-01-2003, 06:04 PM	#18
Donatello02 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 503	It'd be cool if they did the new show based on the IMAGE comic turtles. Man, that would be some violent ish. Bahahah. __________________ 'What ninja weapon did Don get? A stickball bat. Hey, you can call it a 'bo'. But you can call it a Ford Tempo too...it's still just a stick.'

02-01-2003, 07:04 PM	#19
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	I too hate people who bash the old cartoon. You're a not a "true" fan if you only like a specific tmnt universe, everyone is a true fan if they like any part of it. I'd like to know who here actually read the comics when they first came out and didn't just read them cause they liked the cartoons and movies. I do not think the numbers would be too high if any at all. I have read some of the tmnt mirage and it is cool but I will always love the cartoon the most. It's what I grew up on and I will never forget those days. Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang are characters that I will truely miss in the new cartoon. They always could give me a good laugh. And I can understand why people might dislike them because they prefer it more serious which is why I loved the 1st TMNT movie. A perfect blend between the comics and cartoon. Plenty of action and great comedy, a movie that none of us will forget. I don't know how well the new cartoon is going to do but I hope it's good and they at least show some respect for fans of the cartoon. I just wish that we could all just get along and stop making fun of each other just because we like different TMNT universes better. It all depends on what you liked about TMNT the most and you should respect that. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

02-01-2003, 07:20 PM	#20
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	I have very very fond memories of the cartoon, loved it for the first couple seasons(reruns of seasone one were my fave) The TMNT arcade game really epitomizes that cool era. My comment is that as nice as the cartoon was at the time, its time for a revamped, new evolution based off the original comic and that is precisely what they have done. Obviously after a few seasons the TMNT cartoon went pretty south, if not before. And the Archie comics thing(at least the first year I read it) ouch! Basically nostalgia is nice, but when I go to a website I want to see either the new TMNT look reflected or the more serious TMNT Mirage stuff...seeing continuously on the official site the 'rounded headed goofy cartoon' version just doesnt do it for me in thsi day and age. So yeah, I love the late 80's as much as the next guy, but its defintately time for a new era...one week to go! ^_^ __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

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