Conservative states with higher pregnancy rates

[Katie]

Oh boy


Wanna know why birth rates are high among teens in "conservative" states? It's not because our (yes I am a southerner and no I'm not a Republican) sex ed classes are biased or inadequate. Every dumb f*ck teen knows having sex can get you knocked up. It's because sex is something you don't discuss...and if you do ask you mother to put you on birth control you never hear the end of it.

Kids down here aren't freaks who think you gotta wait for marriage.....or don't know anything about sex... jesus, media.

[Jester]

I'd almost say that in some places, there ain't much to do. I know teens in my town just sit in parking lots...for fun.

I'm sure if that's one way kids "have fun" sex is probably high on the list of pass times, too.

[Barkworm]

I guess the sex "education" is a huge part of the problem.

[Jester]

Well it was a good run. So long thread. We barely knew ye.

[ToTheNines]

Kids like to hump. Whatcha gon' do?

[Leo656]

That's classic, TTN, I needed that laugh today. Wasn't expecting that.

[Jester]

Agreed when I first read that, I almost fell out.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I guess the sex "education" is a huge part of the problem.

Spoiler:

"I don't have any proof it's better I just know it worked for me!". And that guy is a governor. Genius.

Reminds me a bit of this. Skip to around the end if you want to see the best quote. "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the senate."

[Jester]

Ahh, that's one of my senators. When I watched the movie, I face palmed.

But of course only southern politicians say incredibly stupid things, right?

Spoiler for possible to political:

Oh...and by the by, abstinence does work. It's abstinence only education that has issues. Though Perry's right...ish...he still sounds like an idiot because he doesn't realize the questioner is asking about teaching abstinence and not actually practicing it.

[pannoni1]

I'm not surprised, as people get married sooner in those states plus with less of an emphasis on career and urban life compared with other, more progressive states, leads to such a higher pregnancy rate. Gays are also more taboo in those states as well.

[Katie]

Originally Posted by pannoni1

I'm not surprised, as people get married sooner in those states plus with less of an emphasis on career and urban life compared with other, more progressive states, leads to such a higher pregnancy rate. Gays are also more taboo in those states as well.

Wow. Never been in the South have you.

Less of an emphasis on career? Glad to know the rest of the country thinks no one south of Indiana has the drive or motivation to be successful. Guess we all just sit on the front porch and drink our sweet tea and chew on some hay while the day passes....

Urban life? Guess Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Little Rock, New Orleans, etc. Aren't urban enough? I grew up in Huntsville, AL.......don't know why Huntsville is a special place? Google it.

Not Progressive? again, we aren't sitting in the dark ages. I went to college and everything. Golly! And I'm a mixed race person in Alabama whose parents grew up during Civil Rights times. Damn! Guess its only because I can "pass" that I succeed. Or maybe it could have been because of affirmative action, right?

I know more gay, lesbian, bi, and transgendered people than straight ones. And they aren't living in fear of being lynched. And seriously. Have you heard of Key West? Or New Orleans? I love watching the shoe dropping outside La ti da on New Year's eve.

I hate when people take the stereotypes of the South which are presented in the media as the gospel truth. At least come visit and see for yourself.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Jester

Oh...and by the by, abstinence does work. It's abstinence only education that has issues. Though Perry's right...ish...he still sounds like an idiot because he doesn't realize the questioner is asking about teaching abstinence and not actually practicing it.

I'm sorry Jester, but saying abstinence works is like saying you'll never be in a car accident if you don't drive. Of course if you don't do something that has any risks to it, you'll be safe but for the vast majority of people it's not a satisfactory solution. In addition to that, it is only an option for extremely religious people because the reasoning behind it wouldn't make sense to anyone without a religious background.

[Jester]

Wanting to wait to have sex until you've met "The One" only makes sense from a religious stand point? It may be pushed harder in those circles, but I'm sure there are others outside the religious community who practice sexual abstinence until they are in a monogamous sexual relationship.

[Hero]

Love Education should be encouraged more than Sex Education.

All we had (and still happens today) in UK education is somebody handing out different sexual prophylactics for everyone to pass around with a lecture on how they are used. No encouragement of values, waiting for 'the one', pride in staying 'pure', Abstinence, self respect, or dealing with peer pressure. The message we got was "We are old enough to and can sleep around, so we should!".

===HERO

[NameGoesHere1066]

Originally Posted by Katie

Kids down here aren't freaks who think you gotta wait for marriage.....or don't know anything about sex... jesus, media.

why is there this mentality that if some wants to wait until marriage they are freaks?





Or for that matter why do people think if you want want to wait for the right person before having sex (like waiting for marriage) that you are a relgious nut job? So many people act like if someone wants to wait they are archaic idiots or goody-goods. Actually I rather respect someone who wants to wait, personly it's not for me, but I marvel at the amount of flack some people get when they express that they would rather wait. There is this guy I know who is a grad student and he said that he wants to wait till he meets the right girl. He is not religious he just said he has become disenchanted with casual sex or sex with girls that end is breaking up after a while. This guy gets so much sh** from his male buddies, he's beeen called everything from a nerd to a ****** to religious fanitic (when he is actually agnostic)it's is so sad. He's not gay and he is a really decent guy, but everyone treat him like he's a freak. What the hell!

Put it this way-do other women think well of females who sleep around? I'm willing to bet the answer is no.

I agree with you , but it is really more complex than that. It is a double edged sword women want to be sexually liberated but there is fine line between female stud and a slut/whore and most women do not want to be associated with that so they do what they can (including turning on other women) to distance themself from that. Because like it or not, a woman's worth is still judged on her purity. And I'm sorry this come out of Patriarch soceity. Thats a fact. But it's women's falt for abetting it. I saw a story on the news where of a muslim woman accused of adultry was stoned to death, not by men but by other women.

BTW, years ago a men's magazine (I don't remember which) had an article about a married man who bragged about having a number of extramarital affairs, and who called himself a romantic. The letters written in response-by other males-were invariably negative and condemnatory of this man.

if that is true than that is a pretty sign that things are changing for the better.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

I agree with you , but it is really more complex than that. It is a double edged sword women want to be sexually liberated but there is fine line between female stud and a slut/whore and most women do not want to be associated with that so they do what they can (including turning on other women) to distance themself from that. Because like it or not, a woman's worth is still judged on her purity. And I'm sorry this come out of Patriarch soceity. Thats a fact. But it's women's falt for abetting it. I saw a story on the news where of a muslim woman accused of adultry was stoned to death, not by men but by other women.

You seem to assume that men create all of society's rules and women have no say and passively go along with what men want. On the contrary I have found that women have quite a lot of power in society, and certainly they would dictate sexual rules along with the men. After all, they're the ones who get pregnant, and are more likely to catch VD from sleeping around. If you're still convinced over womens' powerlessness, try reading literature from decades or centuries ago, and note how men and women behave in various poems or stories.

[Sage Ninja]

On the contrary I have found that women have quite a lot of power in society

In hunter and Gathering societies of the past you are right, there was alot more equality among men and women where both had equal say and contributed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer
It was mostly agricultural societies where women had a lower status. Contemporary society we have more say.

Frankly, I think that parents should be the ones to also educate their children on the matter so that they know the facts just in case their schools don't teach them about it.

My parents were too shy to approach the subject and my mother didn't even aknoweldge it beyond telling me about my menses. Alot of parents just don't seem to want to tackle the issue. My mother said her father made her step mother do it but she decided to just give my mom a book about it instead. My Mother was new to the country and understood little english and misunderstood the book because it used alot of metaphores. She said she thought it was a book on flowers and gardening. Some how I still don't think parents are beyond this indirect way of teaching sex.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, my mom never had the talk with me at all. I had to learn it at school. But still, I think that parents need to do it anyway. Yeah, they may feel uncomfortable about it, but it would be worth it as long as their kids know what sex is about and the dangers it can present if they don't take proper precautions.

As for waiting until marriage, it's fine if you want to do that. It's your choice. It's not for me at all. Plus, I doubt I'll be getting married because if I do, my BF's Social Security benefits might get taken away. So, for that alone, I'd rather just have sex without marriage involved.