Colorado Movie Shooting - Page 5

*BubblyShell22* · 08-02-2012, 08:30 AM

Yeah because then the jerk who did it can't hurt anyone else. It would help me to move on knowing that he was put to death, and I'm sure a lot of the victims' families feel the same way.

*The Stryker* · 08-02-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah because then the jerk who did it can't hurt anyone else. It would help me to move on knowing that he was put to death, and I'm sure a lot of the victims' families feel the same way.

Help YOU to move on?

From what exactly?

愛 · 08-02-2012, 02:48 PM

Move on from a horrible tragedy. Empathy, my negro.

*BubblyShell22* · 08-02-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Help YOU to move on?

From what exactly?

I meant if it had happened to one of my loved ones. I certainly would feel better knowing that he died. And honestly, I'm all for him getting the death penalty. He doesn't deserve to live.

*The Stryker* · 08-02-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 愛

Move on from a horrible tragedy. Empathy, my negro.

Don't use that word with me homie dawg.

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I meant if it had happened to one of my loved ones. I certainly would feel better knowing that he died. And honestly, I'm all for him getting the death penalty. He doesn't deserve to live.

See that makes more sense when you put it that way.

愛 · 08-02-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Don't use that word with me homie dawg.

Does it OFFEND you?

*The Stryker* · 08-02-2012, 06:49 PM

Nope. Not at all. You just haven't earned that ish from me is all.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 08-02-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 愛

Move on from a horrible tragedy. Empathy, my negro.

I read in the latest The New Yorker magazine that the Unabomber was found in part because he used that word in his writings. No joke.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-03-2012, 06:34 AM

What do we do when a dog attacks someone? Put it down, even if the attack wasn't lethal, even though the dog is simply acting on instinct and doing what it thinks it has to do to protect itself. Yet, we put it to death because it's dangerous, because keeping it alive would pose great risk to others. We don't take into consideration that the animal has no idea it did anything wrong.

HUMANS, on the other hand, know right from wrong. They know it's not OK to assault and/or murder people. When they do wrong, it is by CHOICE, not instinct. Thus, they deserve even more severe punishment than a mere animal. The animal has no higher brain function and acts to protect itself; the human makes a conscious decision to hurt people and ruin lives. When humans CHOOSE to become less than animals, we need to treat them no better, in fact we should treat them worse. Because they made a choice to do evil.

Not to sound all corny by paraphrasing a movie, but here it is: "Crime can NOT be tolerated... Criminals mock society's laws... and thrive on society's 'understanding'." I feel very strongly about the punishment of the guilty, and feel that a big part of our problems as a species come entirely from the fact that nothing is "Bad" anymore, everyone is a "Victim", and we no longer believe in punishment of any kind. We're starving ourselves off from over-population, yet we have over-crowded prisons absolutely FULL of people who long ago gave up their right to be part of decent society. Yet we keep them alive in some misguided attempt to prove we're "Better" than they are. Or we convince ourselves that it's not our call, that some invisible man in the sky has more authority than WE do to decide who has the right to breathe on a planet WE inhabit and have to share.

You don't nurture a cancer. You don't coddle it, give it free cable TV and three meals a day for 20-30 years and then just decide what it did to you wasn't that bad after all, and should be forgiven, because it was SO long ago, after all, and surely it's learned something. No, you CUT THE CANCER OUT. Criminals are human cancers, and should be removed quickly, efficiently, and with no remorse. Period. Justice is balance, and someone who's stolen a life from an innocent person doesn't deserve theirs. Killing someone who's a murderer is in no way the same thing, it's called "making the punishment fit the crime".

Maybe if I believed in God I'd feel differently, but since I don't, what I do believe in is Judgment, as swift, harsh, and righteous as it gets. Any sane person would agree that the world would be much better off without these "people" who have made the choice to become lower than animals. What good can EVER come from NOT killing them? Seriously.

And since this specific case has been called "the worst mass-shooting in American history", and many people have been put to death for shooting and killing far fewer people, by that precedent this person's crime is exponentially worse and deserves as severe a punishment as has ever been given. Anything else would be a tragedy, a waste of an opportunity to enforce the textbook definition of "Justice". If we don't kill THIS person, we may as well never execute anyone ever again (BAD idea), and we make ourselves look stupid for executing those whose crimes were far less severe.

There's only one right thing to do here. Why we are even having a trial for this "person" instead of putting him down immediately shows exactly what is wrong with society: Criminals have more right than innocent people do. Enough is f*cking enough. Pull the trigger, throw the switch.

*BubblyShell22* · 08-03-2012, 07:56 AM

I totally agree with this point, Leo. However, our society is also based under the assumption that all criminals are innocent until proven guilty. And although there is overwhelming evidence that this man is definitely guilty of the crimes he committed, he will still have to go to trial anyway as that's how our country works. I think he should just be put to death as well. Why give him a fair trial at all when what he did was so unfair to all who suffered for it? But unfortunately, our country doesn't work that way, so we'll just have to go through a meaningless trial to supposedly prove that he's guilty by a jury of his peers.

And I agree about the God thing, too. Why should we let an invisible man in the sky dictate what we do to others? Let's just kill the jerk. He's going to be condemned to hell anyway according to what many believe, so let the f*cker die.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-03-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

However, our society is also based under the assumption that all criminals are innocent until proven guilty.

Depends, though, doesn't it? Not to go off-topic or start a flame war/race war/thumb war or anything else, but alot of people sure decided George Zimmerman was guilty in a hurry, didn't they? And he might be, and I might care more, if there haven't been countless cases of minorities murdering white people ever since that the press completely ignores because it's not as "juicy" (and divisive) as "White guy kills unarmed black teenager". People are screaming for him to be killed, guys like Mike Tyson publicly say someone should shoot him, and yet we still don't know exactly what happened, other than the guy DID have injuries consistent with what he told police, which would support his claim of self-defense. His case, in particular, makes a mockery of the legal system because he's still being charged with (second-degree) murder even though you cannot be charged with murder without there being some evidence that you INTENDED to kill someone. There's far more evidence to support that he acted in self-defense.

I'm not saying don't do *any*thing to the guy, a kid died, there needs to be some repercussions, but it's pretty screwed up that 1: Everyone made up their minds he was guilty of "murdering that poor kid" before anything else about the case came out, and 2: If anything, it was a tragic accident, not murder. But my point is, it all kind of throws that whole "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" thing right out the window.

You're right, everyone deserves their side to be heard. That's why the system (supposedly) works. But I think in cases where it's so damn cut-and-dry there needs to be a way to somehow expedite the process. The longer this current one with the movie theater shooter goes on, the more this loser turns into a celebrity and the more money the parasitic media sycophants make off the blood of the victims, which is exactly what they want.

*BubblyShell22* · 08-03-2012, 12:24 PM

Yes, I agree with you there, Leo. And the whole Zimmerman thing is all about race anyway. Hell, the guy's Mexican, not white, yet they want to make it out like he racially profiled Trayvon. I believe his story wholeheartedly and feel that he did act in self-defense. Yes, it was unfortunate that Trayvon died, but I would've done the same thing if it had been me. This system is messed up for sure, and it needs to be taken care of quickly with this Colorado shooter, but we know it won't be like that.

08-02-2012, 08:30 AM	#81
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah because then the jerk who did it can't hurt anyone else. It would help me to move on knowing that he was put to death, and I'm sure a lot of the victims' families feel the same way. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

08-02-2012, 06:49 PM	#87
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Nope. Not at all. You just haven't earned that ish from me is all. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

08-03-2012, 07:56 AM	#90
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I totally agree with this point, Leo. However, our society is also based under the assumption that all criminals are innocent until proven guilty. And although there is overwhelming evidence that this man is definitely guilty of the crimes he committed, he will still have to go to trial anyway as that's how our country works. I think he should just be put to death as well. Why give him a fair trial at all when what he did was so unfair to all who suffered for it? But unfortunately, our country doesn't work that way, so we'll just have to go through a meaningless trial to supposedly prove that he's guilty by a jury of his peers. And I agree about the God thing, too. Why should we let an invisible man in the sky dictate what we do to others? Let's just kill the jerk. He's going to be condemned to hell anyway according to what many believe, so let the fcker die. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a*holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

08-03-2012, 12:24 PM	#92
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes, I agree with you there, Leo. And the whole Zimmerman thing is all about race anyway. Hell, the guy's Mexican, not white, yet they want to make it out like he racially profiled Trayvon. I believe his story wholeheartedly and feel that he did act in self-defense. Yes, it was unfortunate that Trayvon died, but I would've done the same thing if it had been me. This system is messed up for sure, and it needs to be taken care of quickly with this Colorado shooter, but we know it won't be like that. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

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08-02-2012, 02:48 PM	#83
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	Move on from a horrible tragedy. Empathy, my negro.

08-03-2012, 06:34 AM	#89
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	What do we do when a dog attacks someone? Put it down, even if the attack wasn't lethal, even though the dog is simply acting on instinct and doing what it thinks it has to do to protect itself. Yet, we put it to death because it's dangerous, because keeping it alive would pose great risk to others. We don't take into consideration that the animal has no idea it did anything wrong. HUMANS, on the other hand, know right from wrong. They know it's not OK to assault and/or murder people. When they do wrong, it is by CHOICE, not instinct. Thus, they deserve even more severe punishment than a mere animal. The animal has no higher brain function and acts to protect itself; the human makes a conscious decision to hurt people and ruin lives. When humans CHOOSE to become less than animals, we need to treat them no better, in fact we should treat them worse. Because they made a choice to do evil. Not to sound all corny by paraphrasing a movie, but here it is: "Crime can NOT be tolerated... Criminals mock society's laws... and thrive on society's 'understanding'." I feel very strongly about the punishment of the guilty, and feel that a big part of our problems as a species come entirely from the fact that nothing is "Bad" anymore, everyone is a "Victim", and we no longer believe in punishment of any kind. We're starving ourselves off from over-population, yet we have over-crowded prisons absolutely FULL of people who long ago gave up their right to be part of decent society. Yet we keep them alive in some misguided attempt to prove we're "Better" than they are. Or we convince ourselves that it's not our call, that some invisible man in the sky has more authority than WE do to decide who has the right to breathe on a planet WE inhabit and have to share. You don't nurture a cancer. You don't coddle it, give it free cable TV and three meals a day for 20-30 years and then just decide what it did to you wasn't that bad after all, and should be forgiven, because it was SO long ago, after all, and surely it's learned something. No, you CUT THE CANCER OUT. Criminals are human cancers, and should be removed quickly, efficiently, and with no remorse. Period. Justice is balance, and someone who's stolen a life from an innocent person doesn't deserve theirs. Killing someone who's a murderer is in no way the same thing, it's called "making the punishment fit the crime". Maybe if I believed in God I'd feel differently, but since I don't, what I do believe in is Judgment, as swift, harsh, and righteous as it gets. Any sane person would agree that the world would be much better off without these "people" who have made the choice to become lower than animals. What good can EVER come from NOT killing them? Seriously. And since this specific case has been called "the worst mass-shooting in American history", and many people have been put to death for shooting and killing far fewer people, by that precedent this person's crime is exponentially worse and deserves as severe a punishment as has ever been given. Anything else would be a tragedy, a waste of an opportunity to enforce the textbook definition of "Justice". If we don't kill THIS person, we may as well never execute anyone ever again (BAD idea), and we make ourselves look stupid for executing those whose crimes were far less severe. There's only one right thing to do here. Why we are even having a trial for this "person" instead of putting him down immediately shows exactly what is wrong with society: Criminals have more right than innocent people do. Enough is f*cking enough. Pull the trigger, throw the switch.