Republicans push for an amendment that would ban abortion; even if the woman is raped

[ComicBookBoy]

Let's look at it this way:
_If a man kills a woman and she is pregnant, the man gets two murder charges.
_But if a woman decides to abort (kill) her own unborn baby, she is not charged with anything.
I don't care if the baby is one week old or one year old, murder is murder.

Rape may harm a woman, but that does not give her the right to harm a little baby.

""See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.."

[Xav]

Originally Posted by PAAATE

And a lot of people don't think it's murder. Once again, why do you care? Should we ban meat since a lot of people think that's murder?

And don't say "Meat is something natural, we're designed to eat blah-blah-blah", because we've been aborting pregnancies since we learned how pregnancies work all those thousands of years ago.

I care because I don't like killing babies, and meat is made from animals not people.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Xav

I care because I don't like killing babies, and meat is made from animals not people.

You don't have to kill anyone. Hell, you don't even have to watch

Abortions will happen whether you like it or not. Because they've always happened and always will happen, and can be traced back thousands of years and will keep happening until we as a species go extinct. The question is, how safe and humane should it be for the people involved? Should one fetus die legally or should one fetus die illegally, with the risk of a second person - the mother - also dying, and a third or fourth person ending up in jail?

People are animals, too. Just because we have a perceived intelligence that stems from us "understanding" and creating symbols like shapes and languages, doesn't make us any different from a biological standpoint. Don't fight biology!

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by PAAATE

Don't fight biology!

Hahahahaha, oh, I can't stop laughing. But you all know what I mean!!!

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Katie

So if, God forbid, your wife was violently raped and became pregnant from that rape (yes, senator Akin, that can happen) you would want herf to carry that child to term and give birth to it......a daily 9 month reminder of that rape?

Considering how my wife was conceived, she's even more pro-life than I am. It's because of her that I'm even a little leery of my once held "only in cases of rape and incest" exception for abortion. I used to feel that in most cases abortion was in fact very selfish. Someone's poor choices in their sexual life means that a child's life is forfeit? Really? Not taking necessary precautions before the fact and then just destroying the consequence of that inaction seems wrong, BUT in the case of rape that choice is taken from the woman, and thus the abortion seemed less selfish.

Then I think back to my wife, and if her mother had thought that way, I wouldn't have her. Or my son. Yes, the fact that she was conceived by such a vile act was evil, and against her mother's will, but there is some good to come of it. Heck, in trying to convince me away from my view, Angela and I have talked, and if, heaven forbid she did conceive via rape, she'd carry the baby and put it up for adoption...because she knows that any life, no matter how it got here, is precious.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by PAAATE

You don't have to kill anyone. Hell, you don't even have to watch

So your logic is if you think something is morally wrong you should just close your eyes and pretend it doesn't exist?

Originally Posted by PAAATE

Abortions will happen whether you like it or not. Because they've always happened and always will happen, and can be traced back thousands of years and will keep happening until we as a species go extinct. The question is, how safe and humane should it be for the people involved? Should one fetus die legally or should one fetus die illegally, with the risk of a second person - the mother - also dying, and a third or fourth person ending up in jail?

Why have laws against murder? People murder each other ever day so why ban it? What about rape? People are gonna get raped anyway, so why make it against the law?

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Xav

So your logic is if you think something is morally wrong you should just close your eyes and pretend it doesn't exist?

No, I just said you don't have to kill anyone.

This is a way too complex issue, I've said what I have to say, you all know where I stand, this discussion won't change anything anyway, and I'm desperately trying to work, so I'm out of here :p

[ComicBookBoy]

You don't have to kill anyone. Hell, you don't even have to watch

Abortions will happen whether you like it or not. Because they've always happened and always will happen, and can be traced back thousands of years and will keep happening until we as a species go extinct. The question is, how safe and humane should it be for the people involved? Should one fetus die legally or should one fetus die illegally, with the risk of a second person - the mother - also dying, and a third or fourth person ending up in jail?

People are animals, too. Just because we have a perceived intelligence that stems from us "understanding" and creating symbols like shapes and languages, doesn't make us any different from a biological standpoint. Don't fight biology!

We are not animals, so we shouldn't act like animals.

[Candy Kappa]

The condom is not 100% safe, neither is the pill or the spiral. Unexpected pregnancy can occur.

If such a law passes there will be a lot of strange miscarriages or back to the good old coat hanger. No woman should be forced to go though an unwanted pregnancy, especially if she was raped. If she wants to ditch it or keep it, it is her choice.

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

We are not animals, so we shouldn't act like animals.

suuuure...

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

If abortion is okay, then there is no moral reason against the death penalty.

To quote playwright George Bernard Shaw, you cannot bring someone back if they were executed. You cannot bring someone back after they have spent time in jail either.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

The condom is not 100% safe, neither is the pill or the spiral. Unexpected pregnancy can occur.

If such a law passes there will be a lot of strange miscarriages or back to the good old coat hanger. No woman should be forced to go though an unwanted pregnancy, especially if she was raped. If she wants to ditch it or keep it, it is her choice.

Yes but women still have to choose to have sex to get pregnant, and even if she doesn't want the baby why does she have to kill it? Why not put it up for adoption? There are plenty of people out there that want children but can't have them themselves.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Xav

Yes but women still have to choose to have sex to get pregnant, and even if she doesn't want the baby why does she have to kill it? Why not put it up for adoption? There are plenty of people out there that want children but can't have them themselves.

Isn't there enough parent-less children out there?

And pregnancies have their risks, it's not all flowers, sunshine and "honey i want strawberries" in the middle of the winter 2 O'clock in the morning.

Humans as well as other intelligent creatures have sex for more then just reproduction, choosing to have or not have sex is not valid to be forced to go through a pregnancy when a child is unwanted. I would never force my girlfriend to carry though a pregnancy if we got unlucky.

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Isn't there enough parent-less children out there?

Isn't there enough murder out there?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

Isn't there enough murder out there?

Isn't there enough people out there?

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

And pregnancies have their risks, it's not all flowers, sunshine and "honey i want strawberries" in the middle of the winter 2 O'clock in the morning.

And abortions have their risks:
_studies suggests that women who abort face a 50% increase in breast cancer,
_women who have experienced abortion have a 600% increase in their risk for Abruptio Placenta in future pregnancies (This can result in extreme and severe life-threatening bleeding),
_abortion causes infertility in 2-5% of the women who have an abortion,
_50% of women who have had abortions report experiencing emotional and psychological problems lasting for months or years.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Humans as well as other intelligent creatures have sex for more then just reproduction, choosing to have or not have sex is not valid to be forced to go through a pregnancy when a child is unwanted. I would never force my girlfriend to carry though a pregnancy if we got unlucky.

Yes choosing to have sex is valid. You don't need sex to live.

[Brodie]

I read what Zarius said, and I was getting upset. But then I remembered he has a mental disability.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

_50% of women who have had abortions report experiencing emotional and psychological problems lasting for months or years.

And that couldn't possibly be attributed to the situation that led to abortion or anything of course not. How about you throw out some more meaningless statistics that amount to a hill of beans. I heard if you go outside you increase your chances of getting hit by a car by 100%!

Force people to have unwanted children because of YOUR moral standing. Nobody is asking you and people like you to police the world personally.

Church going Christian here BTW. Enjoy the rape everyone! Because...well....sperm is alive apparently.

[ComicBookBoy]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

And that couldn't possibly be attributed to the situation that led to abortion or anything of course not. How about you throw out some more meaningless statistics that amount to a hill of beans. I heard if you go outside you increase your chances of getting hit by a car by 100%!

Force people to have unwanted children because of YOUR moral standing. Nobody is asking you and people like you to police the world personally.

Most women have unwanted pregnancies because they were careless, not because they were raped. What I said still stands.

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Church going Christian here BTW. Enjoy the rape everyone! Because...well....sperm is alive apparently.

Keep insults out of this discussion. What you said is just insulting and has no meaning in this discussion.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by ComicBookBoy

Most women have unwanted pregnancies because they were careless, not because they were raped. What I said still stands.


Keep insults out of this discussion. What you said is just insulting and has no meaning in this discussion.

What insults just saying that I am a church going Christian and I don't believe others should be forced to do something because of moral standings of a few others.

You have a statistic for that first one or are just going to go with what you perceive again? Even if it was the case, who cares? It's their body, their choice and their lives. Sure it's f*cked up and irresponsible but guess what? Free will homie! That's speaking for the women that just had an accident of course. Rape victims shouldn't be looked down upon for not wanting to carry on the legacy of the dude that raped them.