Republicans push for an amendment that would ban abortion; even if the woman is raped

~~Leo656~~ · 08-23-2012, 04:36 AM

You're right, Spitfire, I do have a very dark sense of humor and I somewhat, and very reluctantly, apologize. I've taken the liberty of toning down my earlier statement, as I feel the rest of it is fine, if morbid. Morbid humor is still humor.

If anything I'm desensitized because I'm a lot closer to this debate than most people who argue so passionately about it, including, I'd argue, some women. At the very least I've known a disproportionate amount of women who've had one or the other. A lot of them also use dark jokes as a defense mechanism. Sorry if you or anyone else was offended, it's not the first time I've made that joke and honestly, it WAS the first complaint I've gotten, but I can see how some wouldn't like it.

The thing is Xav, it's not an all-or-nothing, it's about choice. Specifically, women NEED to be allowed to CHOOSE if they can have an abortion or not. A cancerous tumor growing in someone's brain is technically "life", but they have the choice of getting rid of it if they can.

Now I'm gonna get flak for comparing an unborn baby to a cancerous tumor. I can't win today.

PAAATE · 08-23-2012, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

You're right, Spitfire, I do have a very dark sense of humor and I somewhat, and very reluctantly, apologize. I've taken the liberty of toning down my earlier statement, as I feel the rest of it is fine, if morbid. Morbid humor is still humor.

Hey, I laughed :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

The thing is Xav, it's not an all-or-nothing, it's about choice. Specifically, women NEED to be allowed to CHOOSE if they can have an abortion or not.

This.

*Xav* · 08-23-2012, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

The thing is Xav, it's not an all-or-nothing, it's about choice. Specifically, women NEED to be allowed to CHOOSE if they can have an abortion or not.

Women NEED to CHOOSE to not have unprotected sex.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-23-2012, 05:45 AM

Again, sh*t happens. "Why can't I have paper towels to wipe up that milk I spilled?" "You shouldn't have spilled the milk in the first place, assh*le. Your fault for not knowin' better. Nobody gets paper towels ever again, they only exist to fix mistakes you shouldn't have made, so THERE."

Not very fair, is it? People are gonna make mistakes, and they need the resources to correct those mistakes. Again, a LOT of this comes down to one basic moral question: IS human life sacred? If you say Yes, you're probably anti-abortion. If you say No, you probably wonder why more people don't have them.

I say, "No, of course human life isn't sacred, what ever gave anyone a moronic assumption like that?"

Jester, you raise a good point, and again, I say let it be a CHOICE. I, for one, could never take care of a kid with HIV, Down's Syndrome, etc. I long ago decided that I can't take care of ANY kid. My biological need to f*ck trumps my societal obligation to breed. If something happened, and my wife got pregnant and it turned out the kid would have some serious problem, well, to me it would be horrible of me to even pretend I could handle that kind of responsibility. I know people that do, and they're great at it, *I* can't do it. I don't have the money, the patience, and the selflessness it takes to be a parent to anyone, especially a special needs child. And I see how many people with Down's and other diseases are treated in life by the people they meet... I can't exactly wish it on anyone. Not EVER going to say they'd be better off not being born, BUT, I strongly feel it is the parents' job to CHOOSE what will be best - for EVERYONE, and yes, that includes the parents. In the end, some will choose life and some will choose to abort life. But I believe everyone needs to choose for themselves, and you can NOT take that choice away.

Sadly... and this is gonna sound SO f*cked up, but it's the truth... MOST parents I know STRONGLY have some level of resentment for their kids. They resent the exorbitant cost, the lack of freedom, the neediness, the selfishness, the crying of the baby years, the arguing of the teen years... they resent, essentially, losing their entire lives for the sake of "someone else", someone who will never understand or appreciate the sacrifices that were made for them. For me, having kids is like smoking: Everyone I knew who did it wish they never started, so I never saw any reason anyone would want to, ever. If I got anyone pregnant, even by accident, my life would be entirely ruined, and I am not about to have that.

Selfish? Absolutely. But it's MY Choice. Everyone needs to make their own.

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08-23-2012, 04:36 AM	#1
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	You're right, Spitfire, I do have a very dark sense of humor and I somewhat, and very reluctantly, apologize. I've taken the liberty of toning down my earlier statement, as I feel the rest of it is fine, if morbid. Morbid humor is still humor. If anything I'm desensitized because I'm a lot closer to this debate than most people who argue so passionately about it, including, I'd argue, some women. At the very least I've known a disproportionate amount of women who've had one or the other. A lot of them also use dark jokes as a defense mechanism. Sorry if you or anyone else was offended, it's not the first time I've made that joke and honestly, it WAS the first complaint I've gotten, but I can see how some wouldn't like it. The thing is Xav, it's not an all-or-nothing, it's about choice. Specifically, women NEED to be allowed to CHOOSE if they can have an abortion or not. A cancerous tumor growing in someone's brain is technically "life", but they have the choice of getting rid of it if they can. Now I'm gonna get flak for comparing an unborn baby to a cancerous tumor. I can't win today.

08-23-2012, 05:45 AM	#4
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Again, sht happens. "Why can't I have paper towels to wipe up that milk I spilled?" "You shouldn't have spilled the milk in the first place, asshle. Your fault for not knowin' better. Nobody gets paper towels ever again, they only exist to fix mistakes you shouldn't have made, so THERE." Not very fair, is it? People are gonna make mistakes, and they need the resources to correct those mistakes. Again, a LOT of this comes down to one basic moral question: IS human life sacred? If you say Yes, you're probably anti-abortion. If you say No, you probably wonder why more people don't have them. I say, "No, of course human life isn't sacred, what ever gave anyone a moronic assumption like that?" Jester, you raise a good point, and again, I say let it be a CHOICE. I, for one, could never take care of a kid with HIV, Down's Syndrome, etc. I long ago decided that I can't take care of ANY kid. My biological need to fck trumps my societal obligation to breed. If something happened, and my wife got pregnant and it turned out the kid would have some serious problem, well, to me it would be horrible of me to even pretend I could handle that kind of responsibility. I know people that do, and they're great at it, I* can't do it. I don't have the money, the patience, and the selflessness it takes to be a parent to anyone, especially a special needs child. And I see how many people with Down's and other diseases are treated in life by the people they meet... I can't exactly wish it on anyone. Not EVER going to say they'd be better off not being born, BUT, I strongly feel it is the parents' job to CHOOSE what will be best - for EVERYONE, and yes, that includes the parents. In the end, some will choose life and some will choose to abort life. But I believe everyone needs to choose for themselves, and you can NOT take that choice away. Sadly... and this is gonna sound SO f*cked up, but it's the truth... MOST parents I know STRONGLY have some level of resentment for their kids. They resent the exorbitant cost, the lack of freedom, the neediness, the selfishness, the crying of the baby years, the arguing of the teen years... they resent, essentially, losing their entire lives for the sake of "someone else", someone who will never understand or appreciate the sacrifices that were made for them. For me, having kids is like smoking: Everyone I knew who did it wish they never started, so I never saw any reason anyone would want to, ever. If I got anyone pregnant, even by accident, my life would be entirely ruined, and I am not about to have that. Selfish? Absolutely. But it's MY Choice. Everyone needs to make their own.