First time watching this... (also my first post)

[nathanbofficial]

First of all...I'm in love with this forum! It's amazing and this is my first post, so hey

What can I say? A turtle sceptic is what I was. I really didn't think this show would do it for me at all. How wrong was I? Granted, I'm only 4 episodes in, but that's enough for me to declare myself an official 'fan' of TMNT 2012.

Let me start of by saying I'm 22 years old and I have always loved the Turtles as a franchise. Granted, some stuff to come out over the years has been pretty awful but some has been pretty decent. It was the 90s movies that got me hooked on Turtles. I remember being a kid and being obsessed with the first movie, especially The Shredder (villains are my thing lol). So that was how I discovered the (debateable) most famous and successful cartoon of the Turtles and that was the 1987 one. Now by the time I'd finished most of the series I was beyond addicted to the turtles and often went searching with my parents for toys and playsets in stores and markets and even on ebay from time-to-time. I was like every kid back then that came across the turtles, there was just something about them that appealed to me. As I grew older I'm sad to admit my relationship with the show started to become less and less. I tried watching 2003 series but I really just couldn't get into it at all. The writing and the production was good, but as I've said above ^^ the Shredder is my favourite character and the '03 cartoon destroyed him in my opinion. I couldn't take this robot-type Shredder seriously and that's why I didn't keep up with it. Now I know most people must think 'if you loved the Shredder, why didn't you hate the '87 version?'. The answer is probably nostalgia purposes. Anyway, it was only recently that I watched the new Michael Bay Turtles trailer and found myself saying 'Oh no!' Because it really does look awful, no disrespect to the fans of it, I just think hollywood has lost the whole 'point' of the turtles, that's not saying I won't give it a go, but CGI turtles, maximum action and...a robot Shredder aren't something I'm particularly interested in. As I said, I will give it a go, but I can already tell it's going to be struggle. Watching the trailer re-kindled many thoughts about my childhood. I began watching clips of the original 87 cartoon on youtube and thought about how amazing it was to collect to the toys back when I was a kid. I already have the 3 90s movies on blu ray because they're movies I've never strayed away from, the first is in my top 10 favourite movies of all time. I decided to purchase the entire boxset from the USA of the 87 cartoon and I've sat down and watched every episode.

Now I'm not here to review the 87 cartoon. But...let's just say there's a small part of me now as an adult that's saying 'god, it's amazing but it's so cheesy' at the same time. I'll never fall out of love with it, but it's the truth. It's not just the cheese fest, it's the lack of character development really. Every episode consists of the same thing over and over again.

Anyway, enough of that, I read loads of reviews about the 2012 cartoon, many saying it was the 'correct' version of Turtles, many adults too saying they were hooked etc etc. I googled pictures and the animation just put me off straight away. So I kept pushing it out of my mind but as I've read more (as I keep going on) people mentioned about The Shredder being human AND being the villain that you'd except from him (not to diss the '87 cartoon, but he could have been a bit more intimidating). So I ordered the series off Amazon and it arrived today. I'm 4 episodes in and I have to say even as a 22 year old male, I was hooked from the very start. It could all change as I'm only 4 episodes in, but the turtles personalities are spot on. What's more, I'm impressed with other characters too, I genuinely can believe that Splinter was as poweful as the story tells us. In previous versions it's hard to picture him as anything other than a normal man who turns into a rat. This Splinter seems fearless, knowledgable and very self-aware of the danger that can come from 'the world above'. Now I've not seen much of the Shredder, but what I have seen so far is pretty impressive. He seems menacing and he does remind me of the 1990 movie version for some reason. I've heard lots about this version, but if anyone is in my shoes and doesn't feel like this will be any good for them, please give it a go. I really can't wait to watch more and I'm beyond excited for when The Shredder reveals himself to the Turtles and to see if he and Splinter come face-to-face. Or...if he and Splinter do, I just hope it's worth it because the previous cartoon's have been a bit of a let down on that front.

So I thought I'd use this thread to post my views on different things with the series, I hope people don't mind and I'm open to discussions and stuff. I do hope someone can let me know if the series gets better or whether the quality decreases so I know what to expect for the future?

[rickwj324]

Welcome!! I'm exactly double your age and I love the Nick toon as well!! It's such a great show.

[Shark_Blade]

Welcome! 2k12 is definitely one of the best shows currently (if not the best!).

As much as I love OT, I only care for Season 1. The rest are watchable, but not as interesting and engaging. The animation quality is sad too compared to Season 1.

[Netkeeper]

why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003

[Metalhead 2.0]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003

You're not very good at reading.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Metalhead 2.0

You're not very good at reading.

DID I MISS SOMETHING

i dont know i skimmed it for the letters 2003 i am dRUNK

[ssjup81]

I felt the same after the first 3 eps. I just got into it back in like May. It brought me in. Unfortunately, I couldn't get into the 2k3 version as you. Don't know why.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003

You should've read the entire post.

Anyway, I think some people compare those two because the 2k12 version gives off a similar feel, at times, to the 80s series while still being its own thing. It gives off a nice retro feel to me, and a sense of nostalgia.

[Powder]

Welcome, but chill with the selfie avatar, son. It's a forum, get funky!

[tmntpower1988]

I've been re-watching season 1 of the Nick series but I can't seem to get into it, find it boring. Some of the episodes in season 2 are way better. It's not as good as the 2k3 series IMO but it is better than the 80s show. Looking forward to the season 2 finale in September.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

the 4kids show generally has the best plots, story arcs, and fight scenes of the series.

Totally agree with this.

[Metalhead 2.0]

Welcome aboard, lil' bro!
I'm not going to spoil anything for you, but I will say that you will NOT be disappointed by the interactions between Splinter and THE Shredder.

[IndigoErth]

Keep watching, you'll keep loving it no doubt. Definitely been some great stuff out of this one so far. People shouldn't let the fun design style fool them into thinking it isn't worth a watch, it's pulled off some epic moments for sure. I'm in my 30s and this series is what brought me back when I gave it a chance early last year.

[Mikey_1992]

Welcome aboard.


I have too started to watch the new TMNT and it is great.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Says the dude with a 2007 movie avatar.

Says the one with a furry avatar.

My avatar marks the year I joined this forum 2007, and the tmnt movie associated with that time.

Originally Posted by nathanbofficial

Thanks for the welcome guys

I gave the 2003 series a good go, I watched the first Series and half of the second but it just wasn't for me. I also disliked Turtles Forever based on the fact that the writers seem to become arrogant when it came to judging their own work against others. But hey, that's for a different discussion, right?

Yes they were very arrogant and belittled the OT turtles like incompetent fools. But verily, karma bit their asses back. Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.

Maybe they will be referenced much much years later in the future (or maybe never at all, which is fine imo), but for now I'm content that justice is done.

[Tazi]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.

Except Karai being the adopted daughter of Shredder, the inclusion of Utroms (even if they now named as The Kraang, they have more to do with the Utroms then with Krang), Stockman being afro-'murican, Purple Dragons as a recurring street gang (non-japanese one, unlike in Mirage)...

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Tazi

Except Karai being the adopted daughter of Shredder, the inclusion of Utroms (even if they now named as The Kraang, they have more to do with the Utroms then with Krang), Stockman being afro-'murican, Purple Dragons as a recurring street gang (non-japanese one, unlike in Mirage)...

Yeah, but all of those have been taken a different direction. Not to say they weren't influenced by 2k3, but they're not directly from it.

I think what they're referring to is how in every interview with anyone on this show, someone alwats mentions the 80s show. How they a love it and are borrowing things from that. They even brought up the movies I believe, at some point. The only show they do not mention, ever, is 2k3. Whether they're borrowing from them or not, they do not mention it

[Tazi]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

Yeah, but all of those have been taken a different direction. Not to say they weren't influenced by 2k3, but they're not directly from it.

Rahzar, Mutagen Man, etc. are also taken to a different direction, so my argument still stands against his.

I think what they're referring to is how in every interview with anyone on this show, someone alwats mentions the 80s show. How they a love it and are borrowing things from that. They even brought up the movies I believe, at some point. The only show they do not mention, ever, is 2k3. Whether they're borrowing from them or not, they do not mention it

This has a lot to do with people who was kid at early '90s are building their careers now, including a big part of the staff. Likely. Mirage is also rarely mentoined, since it was never that much pop as the movie or the first cartoon.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Tazi

Rahzar, Mutagen Man, etc. are also taken to a different direction, so my argument still stands

Think you're grasping at strings. Yes everything's taken a different direction, but the points you brought up aren't truly taken from just 2k3.

The kraang could definitely by argued that they're based off if krang, and not to mention, utrons were friendly where as the kraang are anything but. Stockman isn't even a point? A lot of incarnations have him being black? That's not owned by 2k3. As for Karai, I've never read the comics, but I'm sure one of them has Karai being adopted by shredder, so again not exclusive to 2k3.

A true part taken from 2k3 would be like having bishop or even Hun, who seems more likely a idw has even borrowed him.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by JTH

Says the person with a Pokémon avatar? I think you're in the wrong forum...

You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Says the one with a furry avatar.

My avatar marks the year I joined this forum 2007, and the tmnt movie associated with that time.

I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

http://i.imgur.com/X22DFmN.png
You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!


http://i.imgur.com/TayGZzz.png
I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

Gonna jump in on this one

I think somebody's unnecessarily being rude, despite the fact that they're the one who insulted an avatar first, and that fact that they're avatar has to do with a completely different series than tmnt. I think your attaching unneccessary awful shows into the tmnt forum.

Understand my point?

Anyways, back on topic...

I'll give credit to 2k3, the first 3 or 4 seasons were good. But IMO I think nicks first 2 seasons are a little better. Not to say they are, just I prefer them

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

http://i.imgur.com/X22DFmN.png
You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!

http://i.imgur.com/TayGZzz.png
I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

I think someone needs to go back to kindergarten school to learn how to read and understand context; there's nothing sentimental about my avatar. It could be removed for all I care.

Don't forget to go pee-pee in the toilet and not in your pants. Of course you can bring your furry plush doll with you too.

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

I'm also strongly betting they scrapped the whole idea of a Turtles-multiverse too, since that seemed to be 2k3's idea as well in Turtles Forever. If you've noticed, the 80's show got called a 'dimension' and not 'universe' in MP/WQ, which is very telling as 'universe' would be more appropriate if a multiverse was still considered canon. I'm thinking that as fellow 80's fans TF burned them real bad too, and now they don't want anything to do with it, it's concepts, or 2k3.

Yeah, they could've glimpsed another dimension aside from OT, they could've glimpsed 2k3 dimension in Wormquake, but they didn't.

Originally Posted by Whatswiththeheadbands?

Disagree entirely. IMO, TMNT 2k3 beats TMNT in almost every aspect.

Try and give me good episodes from Season 1-2 of 2k3 and I can counter it with Nick's. 2k12 > 2k3 ftw.