Zatanna movie in talks

[Autbot_Benz]

With the Justice League Dark movie may still in limbo, one card carrying (literally) member of the team could be getting her own solo adventure first.

In Deadline's report on the slate of female-led comic book projects on the horizon, the trade mentions that there's "been talk" at Warner Bros. of a Zatanna Zatara movie. No further details are provided, but they do reiterate that plans are still in place for Supergirl and Batgirl standalone films, which will take precedence over new big-screen outings for the likes of Superman and The Flash.

Again, it sounds like this is in the very early stages and may never even see the light of day, but if the studio was interested in exploring the mystical side of the DC Films Universe, this character would be a good entry point.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...atgirl-a165027

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

With the Justice League Dark movie may still in limbo, one card carrying (literally) member of the team could be getting her own solo adventure first.

In Deadline's report on the slate of female-led comic book projects on the horizon, the trade mentions that there's "been talk" at Warner Bros. of a Zatanna Zatara movie. No further details are provided, but they do reiterate that plans are still in place for Supergirl and Batgirl standalone films, which will take precedence over new big-screen outings for the likes of Superman and The Flash.

Again, it sounds like this is in the very early stages and may never even see the light of day, but if the studio was interested in exploring the mystical side of the DC Films Universe, this character would be a good entry point.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/justi...atgirl-a165027

Well I'll just go ahead and invest my kids' college savings into making this movie happen! No way has DC ever let me down before!

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Sorry. I'm still sour over Netflix canning everything Defenders-related.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Well I'll just go ahead and invest my kids' college savings into making this movie happen! No way has DC ever let me down before!

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Sorry. I'm still sour over Netflix canning everything Defenders-related.

gotta add it to the list of DC movies that have yet to be made yet

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

gotta add it to the list of DC movies that have yet to be made yet

I saw somebody over on CBM make the point that the DCEU has racked up more "in production / let's do it!" movies than the Marvel Cinematic Universe has actually produced. That gives me the giggles, no lie.

[Leo656]

It's true, but here's the thing: It's all your fault.

No, seriously. It's all because they're stuck in a spot where they can't do a single thing "RIGHT". No matter what they announce, or when, the feedback is always the same: Either "That's gonna be terrible" or "That's never gonna happen."

So they listen to that feedback, put a pin in it, wait for a new trend to arrive that they can cash in on, and try again. Same cycle. Maybe if we collectively stopped sh*tting on things literally 5 years before they're even close to existing, they'd have better confidence as a company. As it is, they're sitting there going, "F*ck, what DO these people want?"

They committed early on to an approach that would, essentially, do everything in a different fashion than what Marvel had already done, which is actually fairly smart if you're a business owner looking to create your own identity for your brand, but not if you're a mark. The marks all said, "No, it HAS to be exactly like Marvel, we won't tolerate anything else." So they now have shifted gears to have every future DC movie be an exact clone of the MCU formula, and as I predicted forever ago, they're getting roasted for that, too, despite the fact that they're only doing what you people told them to.

In between, they have shareholders to answer to, so they HAVE to at least have a few ideas on paper about what projects are coming next, so they can start assigning budgets and whatnot. And every time they try and get a plan going, people yell at them for it. SO, they have to do it AGAIN. "Well, we said we'd give them a _____ movie, and they called us assholes, so maybe we need to do something else?"

I can't remember if it was someone I read from Forbes a while ago, or somewhere else, but it wasn't an "entertainment" media source, it was a business source, and he made a point that makes a ton of sense. It was essentially, that in the big question of, "What do people - and the film industry - actually WANT from WB/DC?", the REAL answer is, "To go away completely", because the marketplace can't sustain TWO huge Comic Book Movie Universes with a hundred movies each, and Marvel got there first so fans and critics were already committed and emotionally invested in it. DC/WB are now "trespassing" on their already-claimed territory, so anything they do is going to be treated with suspicion and hostility. One HAS to live and one HAS to die, because the marketplace (and people's limited attention spans and entertainment dollars) can't equally sustain both, and people really like Downey as Iron Man, so DC/WB has become the big clumsy ox that can't get out of its own way, in people's minds.

Once more, the proof of this is how openly hostile we are to even the IDEA of these movies, anymore, before they're anything more than an idea. This whole "We're gonna yell at and punish them until they finally start doing things RIGHT" approach is proven not to work as a motivator. It doesn't work with professional athletes, and it doesn't work when trying to put a huge film project together, regardless of subject matter.

So no, this movie won't happen, and most of their announced projects won't happen. But it's not as simple as, "They're incompetent"; it's that they have an audience that's impossible to please and also actively rooting for them to fail (even subconsciously). They HAVE to announce new film projects because that's their job; being constantly told "We don't want these movies! We don't want ANY of your movies!" is NOT going to help them pull it together any better or faster, it's actually the entire reason things are so screwed up. They WANT to make a plan; you people don't let them.

Moral of the story: Maybe wait until something's more than a few words on paper before publicly and loudly deciding it's terrible. I know that's the exact opposite of how the internet works, but it's really the way people are supposed to act in general. Even I generally wait until I see a trailer for a film before I allow myself to have any opinion at all.

We've all seen things we loved and things we hated from DC long before "Man of Steel" came out, so this is nothing new or DCEU-related, and everybody has an opinion. But let's be real: They're not the audience for these things, they're just making them, and you folks give them NOTHING to work with so that they can get their finger on a pulse. All anyone in the audience offers is, "Copy Marvel" or "Copy childrens' cartoon shows from 25 years ago," which absolutely shouldn't happen either way. A lot of people who have never had a hand in a billion-dollar franchise, sure have very loud opinions on how it should be done, let's put it that way.

So if we're not gonna come clean and say, "Yeah, I just want them to stop making movies," then maybe let's wait for stuff to become reality before deciding it's worthless or whatever. Then, maybe a few of these things MIGHT even get made and released. It's certainly not an approach that's been tried so far.

[Andrew NDB]

F*** this. We should be watching Man of Steel 3 and Batman 2 by now, with movies like this one scattered about here and there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Spoiler:

It's true, but here's the thing: It's all your fault.

No, seriously. It's all because they're stuck in a spot where they can't do a single thing "RIGHT". No matter what they announce, or when, the feedback is always the same: Either "That's gonna be terrible" or "That's never gonna happen."

So they listen to that feedback, put a pin in it, wait for a new trend to arrive that they can cash in on, and try again. Same cycle. Maybe if we collectively stopped sh*tting on things literally 5 years before they're even close to existing, they'd have better confidence as a company. As it is, they're sitting there going, "F*ck, what DO these people want?"

They committed early on to an approach that would, essentially, do everything in a different fashion than what Marvel had already done, which is actually fairly smart if you're a business owner looking to create your own identity for your brand, but not if you're a mark. The marks all said, "No, it HAS to be exactly like Marvel, we won't tolerate anything else." So they now have shifted gears to have every future DC movie be an exact clone of the MCU formula, and as I predicted forever ago, they're getting roasted for that, too, despite the fact that they're only doing what you people told them to.

In between, they have shareholders to answer to, so they HAVE to at least have a few ideas on paper about what projects are coming next, so they can start assigning budgets and whatnot. And every time they try and get a plan going, people yell at them for it. SO, they have to do it AGAIN. "Well, we said we'd give them a _____ movie, and they called us assholes, so maybe we need to do something else?"

I can't remember if it was someone I read from Forbes a while ago, or somewhere else, but it wasn't an "entertainment" media source, it was a business source, and he made a point that makes a ton of sense. It was essentially, that in the big question of, "What do people - and the film industry - actually WANT from WB/DC?", the REAL answer is, "To go away completely", because the marketplace can't sustain TWO huge Comic Book Movie Universes with a hundred movies each, and Marvel got there first so fans and critics were already committed and emotionally invested in it. DC/WB are now "trespassing" on their already-claimed territory, so anything they do is going to be treated with suspicion and hostility. One HAS to live and one HAS to die, because the marketplace (and people's limited attention spans and entertainment dollars) can't equally sustain both, and people really like Downey as Iron Man, so DC/WB has become the big clumsy ox that can't get out of its own way, in people's minds.

Once more, the proof of this is how openly hostile we are to even the IDEA of these movies, anymore, before they're anything more than an idea. This whole "We're gonna yell at and punish them until they finally start doing things RIGHT" approach is proven not to work as a motivator. It doesn't work with professional athletes, and it doesn't work when trying to put a huge film project together, regardless of subject matter.

So no, this movie won't happen, and most of their announced projects won't happen. But it's not as simple as, "They're incompetent"; it's that they have an audience that's impossible to please and also actively rooting for them to fail (even subconsciously). They HAVE to announce new film projects because that's their job; being constantly told "We don't want these movies! We don't want ANY of your movies!" is NOT going to help them pull it together any better or faster, it's actually the entire reason things are so screwed up. They WANT to make a plan; you people don't let them.

Moral of the story: Maybe wait until something's more than a few words on paper before publicly and loudly deciding it's terrible. I know that's the exact opposite of how the internet works, but it's really the way people are supposed to act in general. Even I generally wait until I see a trailer for a film before I allow myself to have any opinion at all.

We've all seen things we loved and things we hated from DC long before "Man of Steel" came out, so this is nothing new or DCEU-related, and everybody has an opinion. But let's be real: They're not the audience for these things, they're just making them, and you folks give them NOTHING to work with so that they can get their finger on a pulse. All anyone in the audience offers is, "Copy Marvel" or "Copy childrens' cartoon shows from 25 years ago," which absolutely shouldn't happen either way. A lot of people who have never had a hand in a billion-dollar franchise, sure have very loud opinions on how it should be done, let's put it that way.

So if we're not gonna come clean and say, "Yeah, I just want them to stop making movies," then maybe let's wait for stuff to become reality before deciding it's worthless or whatever. Then, maybe a few of these things MIGHT even get made and released. It's certainly not an approach that's been tried so far.

But I don't WANT WB/DC to go away--I want them to have a plan and stick to it. If you a business reacts to every single market dip and rise, they very quickly burn through goodwill and stockholders... and eventually, they have to pull back and recognize "we need a better plan, and we need to STICK TO IT even if the shareholders and competition don't like it for now." Business, at the end of the day, is business. And business needs stability and focus.

Aquaman, Shazam!, Wonder Woman 2, Birds of Prey... I may have issues with their approach to Birds of Prey, but as a whole, looking at that slate, it's gonna happen and it SHOULD happen. It's not how I think it should be done, but they're doing it and have it laid out.

The last time WB/DC concretely rolled out a plan was right around the time of BvS. (And it of course fell by the wayside, given Justice League.)

It looks other branches of the DC On Screen universe are doing much better and more cohesively: their streaming service (although I hate their Titans approach) and their work with CW are both succeeding. But on the big screen, DC is still very much drop-of-a-hat(-or-box-office) reactionary and ADD. THAT'S what a good portion of people hold against them.

...

And then, of course, there ARE the "Superman should smile more!" fans, the "Superman isn't a MURDERER!" fans, and the "MAAAARTHA!" people.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It's true, but here's the thing: It's all your fault.

No, seriously. It's all because they're stuck in a spot where they can't do a single thing "RIGHT". No matter what they announce, or when, the feedback is always the same: Either "That's gonna be terrible" or "That's never gonna happen."

So they listen to that feedback, put a pin in it, wait for a new trend to arrive that they can cash in on, and try again. Same cycle. Maybe if we collectively stopped sh*tting on things literally 5 years before they're even close to existing, they'd have better confidence as a company. As it is, they're sitting there going, "F*ck, what DO these people want?"

They committed early on to an approach that would, essentially, do everything in a different fashion than what Marvel had already done, which is actually fairly smart if you're a business owner looking to create your own identity for your brand, but not if you're a mark. The marks all said, "No, it HAS to be exactly like Marvel, we won't tolerate anything else." So they now have shifted gears to have every future DC movie be an exact clone of the MCU formula, and as I predicted forever ago, they're getting roasted for that, too, despite the fact that they're only doing what you people told them to.

In between, they have shareholders to answer to, so they HAVE to at least have a few ideas on paper about what projects are coming next, so they can start assigning budgets and whatnot. And every time they try and get a plan going, people yell at them for it. SO, they have to do it AGAIN. "Well, we said we'd give them a _____ movie, and they called us assholes, so maybe we need to do something else?"

I can't remember if it was someone I read from Forbes a while ago, or somewhere else, but it wasn't an "entertainment" media source, it was a business source, and he made a point that makes a ton of sense. It was essentially, that in the big question of, "What do people - and the film industry - actually WANT from WB/DC?", the REAL answer is, "To go away completely", because the marketplace can't sustain TWO huge Comic Book Movie Universes with a hundred movies each, and Marvel got there first so fans and critics were already committed and emotionally invested in it. DC/WB are now "trespassing" on their already-claimed territory, so anything they do is going to be treated with suspicion and hostility. One HAS to live and one HAS to die, because the marketplace (and people's limited attention spans and entertainment dollars) can't equally sustain both, and people really like Downey as Iron Man, so DC/WB has become the big clumsy ox that can't get out of its own way, in people's minds.

Once more, the proof of this is how openly hostile we are to even the IDEA of these movies, anymore, before they're anything more than an idea. This whole "We're gonna yell at and punish them until they finally start doing things RIGHT" approach is proven not to work as a motivator. It doesn't work with professional athletes, and it doesn't work when trying to put a huge film project together, regardless of subject matter.

So no, this movie won't happen, and most of their announced projects won't happen. But it's not as simple as, "They're incompetent"; it's that they have an audience that's impossible to please and also actively rooting for them to fail (even subconsciously). They HAVE to announce new film projects because that's their job; being constantly told "We don't want these movies! We don't want ANY of your movies!" is NOT going to help them pull it together any better or faster, it's actually the entire reason things are so screwed up. They WANT to make a plan; you people don't let them.

Moral of the story: Maybe wait until something's more than a few words on paper before publicly and loudly deciding it's terrible. I know that's the exact opposite of how the internet works, but it's really the way people are supposed to act in general. Even I generally wait until I see a trailer for a film before I allow myself to have any opinion at all.

We've all seen things we loved and things we hated from DC long before "Man of Steel" came out, so this is nothing new or DCEU-related, and everybody has an opinion. But let's be real: They're not the audience for these things, they're just making them, and you folks give them NOTHING to work with so that they can get their finger on a pulse. All anyone in the audience offers is, "Copy Marvel" or "Copy childrens' cartoon shows from 25 years ago," which absolutely shouldn't happen either way. A lot of people who have never had a hand in a billion-dollar franchise, sure have very loud opinions on how it should be done, let's put it that way.

So if we're not gonna come clean and say, "Yeah, I just want them to stop making movies," then maybe let's wait for stuff to become reality before deciding it's worthless or whatever. Then, maybe a few of these things MIGHT even get made and released. It's certainly not an approach that's been tried so far.

Nah, the reason for this reaction is that DC/WB were incompetent with their movies first and foremost, than it had snowballed into pile of hatred.

Even MOS was questionable, Batman v Superman was a pile of grimdark **** and Justice League was not much better it seems.

This is what happens when you put future of your biggest properties in the hands of questionably talented person like Snyder, who has "his own vision", which borderlines on the teenage grimdark edge.

After that naturally people will have doubts.