Let's talk about forgotten but very dangerous super villains

The Great Saiyaman · 01-31-2019, 01:57 PM

I guess with the Word "Super villain" we all imagine some psychotic, careless wielder of power or somebody who IS in power but has no super powers of their own.
With Thanos and Loki being prime examples of the former and Amanda Waller of the Suicide squad, Kingpin and Lex Luthor being examples of the latter.

But let's talk about the ones who could give those villains a run for their money.

Such as Teen Titans' Tara "Terra" Markov.

No not that one...

THIS one!

Tara Markov was the illegitimate daughter of a king from a fictional country called Markovia, she comes across as very young and scared of her own power. The Titans accept her a full member of their group and share all their secrets with her, with Beast Boy in Particular taking a romantic liking to her.

But all the while Terra was a spy for Deadpool...I mean Deathstroke (I always confuse the two) who had been hired by The H.I.V.E. to assassinate the Teen Titans and with Terra in their ranks came very close to actually doing so.

Raven's emphatic powers meant that she was the first to find out about Terra's true intentions but it was the big reveal after Deathstroke (or was it Deadpool?) and the H.I.V.E. captured the Titans which shocked the team.

A chain smoking Terra reveals her true colors, she's not nearly as young and certainly not as innocent as she looks. Her Monologue is very worthy of anything the Joker has ever said.
Not only that but the way she and Deathstroke behave around the other suggest they had been lovers all the while. With Terra stating after the capture of Nightwing and thus fulfilling the contract, that he can thank her later if he "has the stamina for it."

Beast Boy in particular can't fathom that the true Terra is evil because she loves being evil, she uses her powers for evil only because she can and has no explanation for why.

In the end her powers go haywire and in her final moments she actually looks happy, happy to have all the destruction she can cause, actually happy but the only one she ends up destroying is herself.

Terra: Hated because she wanted to, betrayed people who saw her as friends for a big, fat paycheck and used her powers for evil because in her mind that was just the right thing to do.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-31-2019, 02:13 PM

How is this not a MikeandRaph87 thread?

You stealin' my amigo's thunder?

Eh, Terra never impressed me. She was nothing more than a tool, if you ask me. She'd like to think different, of course.

*Allio* · 01-31-2019, 03:33 PM

Don't know about "Forgotten" as he was just around last year, but Evol from Kamen Rider Build has become one of my favorites in recent years

My favorite villains has always been the ones that are not only threatening but also oozes charm and personality even for just a guy in a suit. It probably helps that all his designs are pretty great looking (even the one that just seems to be a recolor)

Evolto is a member of an Blood Tribe alien race that goes from planet to planet destroying their lives and adding their lifeforce onto theirs, Evolto himself is the reason that Mars is a barren wasteland

At full power he create black holes which can be used to destroy planets (thus added life forces to his own energy) and he moves onto other planets with life, but the problem is when he goes from one planet to another to drains him of all that energy and he would have to start trying to regain that energy before he do it all over again.

His entire plan in Build was so he can open an item that was on Mars called "Pandora's box" which when it is completed he absorbs it into his own body and he then is given the power of teleportation to which he no longer has to waste his energy going from one planet to another.

only downside to this character? He brews terrible coffee.

*TurtleTitan97* · 01-31-2019, 03:39 PM

Was Terra really considered forgotten? Given her role in the Judas Contract I figured she was still pretty well known in the comics community even before the OG Titans cartoon.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-31-2019, 03:42 PM

Archie Krang. He would just push the putton when flying in his spacecraft across Dimension X and then another inhabited planet was bombed into pieces of rocks.

Chrell was similair. (still well-known among TMNT fans, but how many other remember him)

Chien Khan. He would summon a demon to destroy the entire world.

Those among the Captain Planet echovillains who actually polluted for money (and not just for fun).

The Great Saiyaman · 01-31-2019, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Was Terra really considered forgotten? Given her role in the Judas Contract I figured she was still pretty well known in the comics community even before the OG Titans cartoon.

Well if you ask somebody to name a couple of DC comics Villains, Terra won't be among them.

But now that I've did all this research about Terra and the "Judas contract" (GREAT STORY by the way.) I wonder how much Terra was an influence on Toph Beifong from Avatar, the last Airbender.

Here again we have a frail skinny girl with incredible earth bending powers who isn't scared to be brutally honest and tell you the uncomfortable truth when needed.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-31-2019, 04:50 PM

I like Terra and her original arc just fine. What I DON'T like is how they immediately tried to backtrack in the face of Nerd Rage, and spent 20+ years trying to either retcon her heel turn as being somehow manipulated, OR, replacing her with any number of identical clones or alternate dimensional doppelgangers, to appease the geeks who were crushing on her and couldn't accept that she'd been rotten from the start.

"But we liked her! We wanted her and Beast Boy to get together and have a happy ending! You screwed us over!"

Yeah, that's why it's a tragedy. I think all the work done to retcon or redeem or replace her is disrespectful to the original story and undercuts the emotion of the entire thing. Plus, all of the subsequent stories about her that tried to explain it in greater detail were really, really bad.
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Y'know who you never hear about anymore? Dominus, the Superman villain who had a couple runs in the late-90s. "King of the World" is one of my all-time favorite Superman stories, and at the time the repercussions from it lasted for quite a while, but it seems to have been mostly forgotten, which is a shame. I admit, Superman ultimately defeating him via "Kryptonian Psychic Kung-Fu" (aka, "Torqasm-Vo", possibly not spelling it right) was lame, but I felt like the villain himself had potential and his stories were good.

He was the very first villain Superman faced after they ended the abysmal "Supoerman Red/Blue" storyline, so you'd think he'd have a bigger place in the grand scheme of things. Especially since so few Superman villains actually present a tangible threat. Ah well.

The Great Saiyaman · 01-31-2019, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I like Terra and her original arc just fine. What I DON'T like is how they immediately tried to backtrack in the face of Nerd Rage, and spent 20+ years trying to either retcon her heel turn as being somehow manipulated, OR, replacing her with any number of identical clones or alternate dimensional doppelgangers, to appease the geeks who were crushing on her and couldn't accept that she'd been rotten from the start.

"But we liked her! We wanted her and Beast Boy to get together and have a happy ending! You screwed us over!"

Yeah, that's why it's a tragedy. I think all the work done to retcon or redeem or replace her is disrespectful to the original story and undercuts the emotion of the entire thing. Plus, all of the subsequent stories about her that tried to explain it in greater detail were really, really bad.
-----------------------

Y'know who you never hear about anymore? Dominus, the Superman villain who had a couple runs in the late-90s. "King of the World" is one of my all-time favorite Superman stories, and at the time the repercussions from it lasted for quite a while, but it seems to have been mostly forgotten, which is a shame. I admit, Superman ultimately defeating him via "Kryptonian Psychic Kung-Fu" (aka, "Torqasm-Vo", possibly not spelling it right) was lame, but I felt like the villain himself had potential and his stories were good.

He was the very first villain Superman faced after they ended the abysmal "Supoerman Red/Blue" storyline, so you'd think he'd have a bigger place in the grand scheme of things. Especially since so few Superman villains actually present a tangible threat. Ah well.

Heh, back then he was called "Changeling" apparently he was mocked by people for the name Beast Boy and went through the process of having his name officially changed.

That's another thing I loved with those comics, they made the characters so three dimensional.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-31-2019, 05:25 PM

Yeah, he's actually "Changeling" on his original DC Comics trading card, and that's the name I first saw him under. I think in some of the "Who's Who" books, as well. I thought it was okay; "Beast Boy" is kind of cheesy, but eh.

*Utrommaniac* · 01-31-2019, 05:34 PM

Damn, I wish I could talk about Kingdok and the Hooded One from Bone, but they're not necessarily "super"villains.

And also, even with it being 20 years after the publication was finished, I still feel the need to keep the Hooded One's backstory in spoilers, 'cuz hoooo boy.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-31-2019, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

How is this not a MikeandRaph87 thread?

You stealin' my amigo's thunder?

Eh, Terra never impressed me. She was nothing more than a tool, if you ask me. She'd like to think different, of course.

This is something up my alley. Something I did before, but it gardened little interest.

I did a few profiles of DC villains some obscure and some not so such as Deathstroke. Anyone who wants to comment on the few entries or add their own DC villains feel more than free to.The Great Saiyaman that means you!

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=58096

As for Terra,was designed to be a mole. She got a happy ending in Teen Titans cartoon to let her fans be happy. I read Terra Incognito through Judas Contract as its a part of the classic 55 issue run. I have not read the multiple Terra replacements that try to paint the original in a better light. Deathstroke does confirm to Beast Boy/Changeling that he statutory raped Terra to give her the vainity to succeed the inside job he needed her for in Tales of the Teen Titans#55. Terra is definitely a character made to push the envelop. Her original arc ran for under two years and it is surprising how Dick, Wally, Donna, and the others accepted her so quickly. Despite her short-lived original run she made waves and even made a connection to the greater DC Universe being Geo Force's half-sister. Geo Force himself is an underrated character.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-31-2019, 06:16 PM

Some of it was in Team Titans shortly before Zero Hour. They had a member who was an exact duplicate of Terra down to the genetic level, I think, except she was't evil and had none of the real Terra's memories. I'm mostly going by memory since I didn't read a lot of Team Titans, but I flipped through those issues when I saw that she was in them, and it's honestly very confusing.

I believe that the original plan was to simply have her pick up where the real Terra left off, so everyone could have their cake and eat it too - "Judas Contract" still happened, and she was still a scumbag, BUT there's an identical character running around acting heroically so fanboys could be happy - but I don't remember how or if it was resolved. I know all of the other "Team Titans" were sleeper agents for Extant and Parallax but I forget where "Terra" fit in. I just remember something where they checked her out and confirmed that it was "the real Terra" but couldn't figure out how it was possible, and then I think the entire thing just got dropped.

It might have even been some nonsense like, "THIS was the 'real' Terra of our universe, and the evil one was some kind of parallel dimension one, and they somehow switched places early on, thus the 'Good' Terra is the 'Really Real' one." Again, it's fuzzy - and honestly not worth remembering - but I swear it was something like that.

Remember that new "Terra" they introduced a little over ten years ago, the one with the black hair who was, like, connected to some kind of subterranean species that had Earth-controlling powers, or something? That was terrible, WTF was that about? Are people really that in love with the character, or even just the name "Terra" that they feel like they have to pull stuff like that? I don't get it.

*MikeandRaph87* · 01-31-2019, 06:47 PM

I will go with what you said. I was thinking it was an alternate timeline like how Dick Grayson was Robin and Barbara Gordon was Batgirl and never got shot when Hypertime was messed up thanks to Parallax. In other words, "what if Terra was not a traitor?" and its the cake and eat it too thing like you said above. Though the Hypertime thing also conveniently forgot that Batgirl Special#1 came out retiring Barbara Gordon before she was shot a few months later.

I have all of Terra's original appearances, but have not read any of the alternate Terras appearances let alone own any.

Seriously though, add a profile to my linked thread!

*MikeandRaph87* · 07-09-2019, 03:29 PM

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/re-exa...s-contract?amp

Hey, Great Saiyan, I saw this article on my feed and thought of you.

01-31-2019, 02:13 PM	#2
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	How is this not a MikeandRaph87 thread? You stealin' my amigo's thunder? Eh, Terra never impressed me. She was nothing more than a tool, if you ask me. She'd like to think different, of course. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

01-31-2019, 03:33 PM	#3
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	your typical Allio Tokusatsu post Don't know about "Forgotten" as he was just around last year, but Evol from Kamen Rider Build has become one of my favorites in recent years My favorite villains has always been the ones that are not only threatening but also oozes charm and personality even for just a guy in a suit. It probably helps that all his designs are pretty great looking (even the one that just seems to be a recolor) Evolto is a member of an Blood Tribe alien race that goes from planet to planet destroying their lives and adding their lifeforce onto theirs, Evolto himself is the reason that Mars is a barren wasteland At full power he create black holes which can be used to destroy planets (thus added life forces to his own energy) and he moves onto other planets with life, but the problem is when he goes from one planet to another to drains him of all that energy and he would have to start trying to regain that energy before he do it all over again. His entire plan in Build was so he can open an item that was on Mars called "Pandora's box" which when it is completed he absorbs it into his own body and he then is given the power of teleportation to which he no longer has to waste his energy going from one planet to another. only downside to this character? He brews terrible coffee. __________________

01-31-2019, 05:34 PM	#10
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Damn, I wish I could talk about Kingdok and the Hooded One from Bone, but they're not necessarily "super"villains. And also, even with it being 20 years after the publication was finished, I still feel the need to keep the Hooded One's backstory in spoilers, 'cuz hoooo boy. __________________ DeviantART

01-31-2019, 06:47 PM	#13
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	I will go with what you said. I was thinking it was an alternate timeline like how Dick Grayson was Robin and Barbara Gordon was Batgirl and never got shot when Hypertime was messed up thanks to Parallax. In other words, "what if Terra was not a traitor?" and its the cake and eat it too thing like you said above. Though the Hypertime thing also conveniently forgot that Batgirl Special#1 came out retiring Barbara Gordon before she was shot a few months later. I have all of Terra's original appearances, but have not read any of the alternate Terras appearances let alone own any. Seriously though, add a profile to my linked thread! __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

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01-31-2019, 01:57 PM	#1
The Great Saiyaman Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,090	Let's talk about forgotten but very dangerous super villains I guess with the Word "Super villain" we all imagine some psychotic, careless wielder of power or somebody who IS in power but has no super powers of their own. With Thanos and Loki being prime examples of the former and Amanda Waller of the Suicide squad, Kingpin and Lex Luthor being examples of the latter. But let's talk about the ones who could give those villains a run for their money. Such as Teen Titans' Tara "Terra" Markov. No not that one... THIS one! Tara Markov was the illegitimate daughter of a king from a fictional country called Markovia, she comes across as very young and scared of her own power. The Titans accept her a full member of their group and share all their secrets with her, with Beast Boy in Particular taking a romantic liking to her. But all the while Terra was a spy for Deadpool...I mean Deathstroke (I always confuse the two) who had been hired by The H.I.V.E. to assassinate the Teen Titans and with Terra in their ranks came very close to actually doing so. Raven's emphatic powers meant that she was the first to find out about Terra's true intentions but it was the big reveal after Deathstroke (or was it Deadpool?) and the H.I.V.E. captured the Titans which shocked the team. A chain smoking Terra reveals her true colors, she's not nearly as young and certainly not as innocent as she looks. Her Monologue is very worthy of anything the Joker has ever said. Not only that but the way she and Deathstroke behave around the other suggest they had been lovers all the while. With Terra stating after the capture of Nightwing and thus fulfilling the contract, that he can thank her later if he "has the stamina for it." Beast Boy in particular can't fathom that the true Terra is evil because she loves being evil, she uses her powers for evil only because she can and has no explanation for why. In the end her powers go haywire and in her final moments she actually looks happy, happy to have all the destruction she can cause, actually happy but the only one she ends up destroying is herself. Terra: Hated because she wanted to, betrayed people who saw her as friends for a big, fat paycheck and used her powers for evil because in her mind that was just the right thing to do. __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, "Mythbusters"

01-31-2019, 03:39 PM	#4
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	Was Terra really considered forgotten? Given her role in the Judas Contract I figured she was still pretty well known in the comics community even before the OG Titans cartoon.

01-31-2019, 03:42 PM	#5
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Archie Krang. He would just push the putton when flying in his spacecraft across Dimension X and then another inhabited planet was bombed into pieces of rocks. Chrell was similair. (still well-known among TMNT fans, but how many other remember him) Chien Khan. He would summon a demon to destroy the entire world. Those among the Captain Planet echovillains who actually polluted for money (and not just for fun).

01-31-2019, 04:50 PM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I like Terra and her original arc just fine. What I DON'T like is how they immediately tried to backtrack in the face of Nerd Rage, and spent 20+ years trying to either retcon her heel turn as being somehow manipulated, OR, replacing her with any number of identical clones or alternate dimensional doppelgangers, to appease the geeks who were crushing on her and couldn't accept that she'd been rotten from the start. "But we liked her! We wanted her and Beast Boy to get together and have a happy ending! You screwed us over!" Yeah, that's why it's a tragedy. I think all the work done to retcon or redeem or replace her is disrespectful to the original story and undercuts the emotion of the entire thing. Plus, all of the subsequent stories about her that tried to explain it in greater detail were really, really bad. ----------------------- Y'know who you never hear about anymore? Dominus, the Superman villain who had a couple runs in the late-90s. "King of the World" is one of my all-time favorite Superman stories, and at the time the repercussions from it lasted for quite a while, but it seems to have been mostly forgotten, which is a shame. I admit, Superman ultimately defeating him via "Kryptonian Psychic Kung-Fu" (aka, "Torqasm-Vo", possibly not spelling it right) was lame, but I felt like the villain himself had potential and his stories were good. He was the very first villain Superman faced after they ended the abysmal "Supoerman Red/Blue" storyline, so you'd think he'd have a bigger place in the grand scheme of things. Especially since so few Superman villains actually present a tangible threat. Ah well.

01-31-2019, 05:25 PM	#9
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Yeah, he's actually "Changeling" on his original DC Comics trading card, and that's the name I first saw him under. I think in some of the "Who's Who" books, as well. I thought it was okay; "Beast Boy" is kind of cheesy, but eh.

01-31-2019, 06:16 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Some of it was in Team Titans shortly before Zero Hour. They had a member who was an exact duplicate of Terra down to the genetic level, I think, except she was't evil and had none of the real Terra's memories. I'm mostly going by memory since I didn't read a lot of Team Titans, but I flipped through those issues when I saw that she was in them, and it's honestly very confusing. I believe that the original plan was to simply have her pick up where the real Terra left off, so everyone could have their cake and eat it too - "Judas Contract" still happened, and she was still a scumbag, BUT there's an identical character running around acting heroically so fanboys could be happy - but I don't remember how or if it was resolved. I know all of the other "Team Titans" were sleeper agents for Extant and Parallax but I forget where "Terra" fit in. I just remember something where they checked her out and confirmed that it was "the real Terra" but couldn't figure out how it was possible, and then I think the entire thing just got dropped. It might have even been some nonsense like, "THIS was the 'real' Terra of our universe, and the evil one was some kind of parallel dimension one, and they somehow switched places early on, thus the 'Good' Terra is the 'Really Real' one." Again, it's fuzzy - and honestly not worth remembering - but I swear it was something like that. Remember that new "Terra" they introduced a little over ten years ago, the one with the black hair who was, like, connected to some kind of subterranean species that had Earth-controlling powers, or something? That was terrible, WTF was that about? Are people really that in love with the character, or even just the name "Terra" that they feel like they have to pull stuff like that? I don't get it.

07-09-2019, 03:29 PM	#14
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/re-exa...s-contract?amp Hey, Great Saiyan, I saw this article on my feed and thought of you.